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Re: Indians fall flat when it comes to real prosperity

by Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKaleem@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 11, 2008 at 07:27 AM

On May 9, 4:38 am, nkdatta2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On May 8, 2:40 am, koolfireii...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
> > On May 8, 9:58 am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote=
:
> > There is no provision for that in the Indus river water treaty,you
build=
 a dam
> > downstream,or divert,the source will get cut off by India,THE ORIGIN
OF =
ALL
> > RIVERS FLOWING INTO PAKISTAN IS REGULATED IN INDIA,Pakistan is a
> > downstream country,like everything else which has to do with India
Pakis=
tan
> > issues,you are always in the down position.Indians are on the top.
>
> Three of the four provinces of Pakistan are opposed to the Kalabagh
> dam. In fact, legislators of these 3 provinces have already passed
> resolutions opposing the dam.
>
> Only Punjab is pushing for it, primarily because the project is for
> the benefit of military officials most of whom hail from a few
> districts in Punjab. The reclaimed land, even in Sindh, go to military
> officials from Punjab.
>
> The concern is that the dam would submerge large swathes of fertile
> Peshawar valley in Pashtunkhwa and deprive Sindh and Balochistan
> provinces of their due shares of the Indus waters.
>
>
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>
> http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/23/top9.htm
>
> DAWN, Karachi, Pakistan
> April 23, 2008  Wednesday  Rabi-us-Sani 16, 1429
>
> .....Ms Jamani and some of her other colleagues argued the project
> should not be taken up after resolutions passed by the provincial
> assemblies of Sindh, NWFP and Balochistan against it and called for
> implementing alternative plans......
>
> .....=93We will not let Kalabagh dam be built,=94 PPP=92s Shagufta
Jamani
> said angrily after PML-N member Chaudhry Ejaz Virk picked up Mr
> Wattoo=92s theme by saying the proposed dam could be called =93Quaid-i-
> Azam Dam=94 as a way of appeasing its it would submerge large swathes of
> fertile Peshawar valley in the North West Frontier Province and
> deprive Sindh and Balochistan provinces of their due shares of the
> Indus watersopponents, who actually argue against the project over
> fears ......
>
>
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>
> > > > On May 7, 3:53 pm, Tambi Dude <tambid...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You are traitor of Muslim Ummah and  Bangladesh . You are
lickin=
g toes
> > > > > > of Indians who are bent upon killing Bangladeshis daily. By
bloc=
king
> > > > > > water of Bangladeshi
> > > > > > rivers, they want to starve you. But as a shameless beggar you
a=
re
> > > > > > licking their toes.  I do not care for such conscienceless
perso=
ns.
>
> > > > > > Javed Iqbal
>
> > > > Punjab has been depriving Sindh of water for a long time. Pakistan
> > > > wants to make new and large Dams and canals for retired army
officia=
ls
> > > > on Indus river. Kalabagh dam & Greater Thal canal are good
examples.=

> > > > There is a petition on line that can be signed to protest the
> > > > injustice to Sindh.
>
> > > > Go to:http://www.petitiononline.com/sindhu/petition.html
>
> > > > Here's the petition:
>
> > > > Stop illegal constructions of Kalabagh dam & Greater Thal canal
>
> > > > To:  World Bank, Asian Bank & UNO
>
> > > > Pakistan wants to make new and large Dams and canals for retired
arm=
y
> > > > officials on Indus river. Due to atrocities of province of Punjab
no=
w
> > > > Sindh is facing deadly shortage of water. In fact Punjab theft the
> > > > water of Sindh continously through centuries. In 1945 an accord
was
> > > > made in the period of Birtish rule. Now Punjab doing human rights
an=
d
> > > > accord violations and making forcibly with the help of army, more
> > > > large Dams and Canals on Indus river. "The term 'historic share'
of
> > > > water has no history. This term has never been used even in the
> > > > context of the 1991 Water Accord. However, when the deliberations
on=

> > > > the Water Accord were going on in 1991, the apportionment of water
> > > > between Punjab and Sindh had to be decided. The committee decided
to=

> > > > take the average of water apportioned between Punjab and Sindh
from
> > > > 1977 to 1982 for the sake of an exercise just to determine the
amoun=
t
> > > > required to be apportioned. But irrigation officials of the Punjab
> > > > regarded it as their 'historic share' of water. According to the
> > > > calculation of the so-called 'historic' right on water, the Punjab
w=
as
> > > > awarded 48 MAF while Sindh got 46 MAF. But, when the 1991 Water
Acco=
rd
> > > > was finalised, Sindh was awarded 48.76 MAF of water. It is besides
t=
he
> > > > point that the Punjab got a greater quantity of water in the
accord,=

> > > > 55.94 MAF (almost 56 MAP.) Even then, the Punjab was not happy to
se=
e
> > > > that as per the 1991 Water Accord, Sindh was drawing more water
than=

> > > > the Punjab had been consuming during the years 1977 to 1982, i.e.,
4=
8
> > > > MAF. Basing the distribution of waters on the 'averages' of
> > > > exaggerated flow of the Sindhu Darya, was bound to lead to a major
> > > > confrontation between the upper and lower riparian. The waters
flowi=
ng
> > > > down the Sindhu vacillates between 104 MAF and 80 MAF. How can
> > > > apportionment be based on the average of such a wide difference in
> > > > real flows. Surely, water apportionment depends on need. As the
Sind=
hu
> > > > Darya is the only source of water for Sindh, this province must be
> > > > given its actual share specially during times of severe shortages.
>
> > > > The Punjab, during the downswing of the cycle, has complete
control =
of
> > > > the waters in the Jhelum and Chenab rivers. In addition, the upper
> > > > riparian have sweet ground water reserves of 300 MAF which they
can
> > > > draw on in times of shortages. Taking this reality into account,
the=

> > > > 1945 Sindh-Punjab water agreement gave 75 per cent of the Darya's
> > > > waters to Sindh. The Punjab, through its infamous link canals,
could=

> > > > only draw water from the Sindhu during the peak flood season. That
i=
s
> > > > all. Last year, during Nawaz Sharif's chauvinist rule, his
province
> > > > unilaterally opened the link canals in late May - early June which
> > > > negatively affected agricultural output income in Sindh. This
should=

> > > > have given the upper riparians enough sense to see the logic in
> > > > the1945 Water Agreement. But, then, theft based on greed has its
own=

> > > > perverted logic, which if repeated often enough will be
believed.(By=
:
> > > > Anwar Pirzado)
> > > > The quantity of even 10 maf provisionally allocated under the
accord=

> > > > is available only for 24 out of 72 years as calculated under the
> > > > title, 'Kharif availability'. Thus it is clear that the required
> > > > quantity of water for the substance of the environment cannot
become=

> > > > available under the circumstances. It is not possible that this
> > > > position can be improved by denying the allocations/commitments of
t=
he
> > > > operational projects or by leaving the storages unfilled. However,
i=
t
> > > > is important that at least further deterioration in the ecological
> > > > conditions must be prevented. The best that can be done to save
the
> > > > environment from complete devastation is to plan future projects
so
> > > > that the minimum required discharge of 300,000 cusecs is available
f=
or
> > > > outflow to sea at least for as much time as it is available, after
> > > > meeting the current Kharif demand. (By: Zulfiqar Halepoto)
>
> > > > Pakistan grows around 18 million tons of wheat per year and
imports
> > > > roughly 2 million tons. The average yield per acre is 0.81 tons
> > > > against 0.97 tons in neighbouring India and 0.87 tons for the
world.=

> > > > So is it for each and every crop in Pakistan. A few administrative
> > > > steps like streamlining the supply of quality seed at proper time;
> > > > sparing a pittance for research on improved seeds in our excellent
> > > > agricultural universities; eliminating the use of spurious
pesticide=
s,
> > > > making fertilizers available at affordable rates and mounting a
> > > > dedicated training campaign for our Haris in the proper use of
> > > > pesticides and fertilizers, could increase the yield per acre,
while=

> > > > costing only a fraction of the Rs. 500 billion needed for the
Kalaba=
gh
> > > > dam. And this is only the empirical side. The effect on our
agrarian=

> > > > society and agricultural economy when all these concerted inputs
are=

> > > > applied at the designated sectors will be tremendous. Of the 105
MAF=

> > > > at present made available at the canal heads an estimated 60% is
los=
t
> > > > through evaporation and seepage as follows: 15 MAF is lost in
major
> > > > river beds, 10 MAF in canals and minors, 10 MAF in watercourses
and =
25
> > > > MAF on farms. (By: Abrar Kazi)"
>
> > > > We strongly appeal to World bank, Asian bank & UNO, help us to
stop
> > > > atrocities and violations of accord of 1945 from the side of
Punjab.=

> > > > If kalabagh dam and Greater Thal canal will be build, Sindh
province=

> > > > will be in danger, due to destruction of Indus delta and deadly
> > > > shortage of water.
>
> > > > To sign the petition,
visit:http://www.petitiononline.com/sindhu/pet=
ition-sign.html?
>
> > > > > That's all a true muslim is capable of. Declare other muslim as
a
> > > > > traitor
> > > > > and if possible behead him. No wonder Javed told me that he
hates
> > > > > Irfan Hussain of Dawm, Reza Azmi, Pervez Hoodhboy etc.
>
> > > > > Why would India block Bangladesh water. If we had to do it we
woul=
d
> > > > > done to Pakistan. Remember all Pak rivers start from Indian
kashmi=
r.
> > > > > Kahani khatam. Pakistan over.
> > > > > I wish we do that. pakistan can go to seventh century arab days
wh=
en
> > > > > they use to clean their ass by stones.
>
> > > These are a few mis-guided elements who do get rejected in polls.
> > > Pakistan will soon construct a large dam to store its huge water
> > > resources and produce electricity.
>
> > > Javed Iqbal Kaleem

Yes as a free citizen of Pakistn, they have the right to express their
views. But in democracies the majority opinion prevails, unlike India
where Hindi belt dominates
politics of the whole country. We have NOT LAID A SINGLE BRICK OF THE
KALA BAGH DAM, NOR WILL, UNLIKE INDIA WHICH HAS DEPRIVED EAST BENGAL
AND WEST PAKISTAN BY ILLEGALLY CONSTRUCTING DAMS.


        Javed Iqbal Kaleem




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Re: Indians fall flat when it comes to real prosperity
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