<rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> The Bhagavad Gita is online www.gitamrta.org/bhagavad_gita_arabic.pdf
>
> and I challenge you to find anything resemble the word untouchables or
> even close to it in an any part in this Vedic book.
Let's assume there is no trace of the untouchables in this book -
Tell me O enlighted Brahmin guru why the untouchables are the people
who are below the fourth varna outcaste.
Why deshumanizing an im****tant part of human race?
How could this injustice be justified by a religion?
Are you aware if you're an alien to India ,you are considered
an untouchable too with all the consequences associated to
this "privilege" ?
This discrimination between members of the human race, the citizens of the
same country, the same beliefs ....has to stop and now!!!
A religion that teaches discrimination and imposes unequal treatment
and privileges among its own followers and human race as one of its
main foundations and its goals , is dangerous
The facts are still here and speak for themselves. They don't need
interpreters to explain them to us.
The backwardness and the unnecessary sufferings of an im****tant part
of India's population (the untouchables) are the results of these absurd
teachings imagined by someone who should've been himself outcasted
and rejected from his society before writing his book and his social
division (varna)
into which a person is born etc..etc....
These teachings (5 000 years old) you are still promoting here in the
3 rd millenium , are archaic ,no longer acceptable or
in use, and don't deserve our attention because they don't help improve
human kind condition, but au contraire mon frere.
> It is the critic's job to first read and points out any
> inconsistencies with quotes.
> Bhagavad Gita is the first word of God and was revealed 5000 ago.
> You may disagree and favor another word of God but disrespecting one
> book in favor of another is sheer ignorance. There is only one God but
> we humans, perceive Him differently.
I live by the golden rule, I don't like it when people impose their
personal
beliefs on me, so I don't impose mine on them .
This is not an established fact neither . It's still a questionable
theory
..
But I respect your opinion and you're entitled to it.
> Without tolerance and respect,
> man is no better than a four legged animal.
Holy cow! Holy cow ! Holy cow! Don't touch those four legged animals
you're wor****ping. It's an offense to your Gods and you're going to
become
permanently expelled outcaste and thus having no place nor status in
society
for talking this ways to those holy sacred,wothy of
adoration,sanctified.......four legged animals.
Are you aware of what you've just said "man is no better than a four
legged
animal ".
In India, animals haven't deity status and higher social status than
human
and especially
the untouchables ???
You are so incoherent, so contradictory and so inconsistent in your
arguments and judgment .
Why are you demeaning a four legged animal you consider like a God.?
Don't worry about making a living , there is more than one fish in the
ocean , alligator!.
I rest my case .! Bye alligator !!-
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:49:13 GMT, "anonymuse" <dontbother@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrotf:
>
>>
>><rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:pajpm0ttbacn3opn69n67010m1d6sjdv7g@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> You just proved my points.
>>
>>I'd accept your points under one condition : tell this audience
>>what do you think about the chapter of the untouchables depicted
>>in your holy book Bhagavad gita.
>>
>>See ya aligator!
>>=================
>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:43:05 GMT, "anonymuse" <dontbother@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrotf:
>>>
>>>>I am not a sales representative,I don't sell books -I don't promote
any
>>>>book
>>>>I don't promote any religion nor any other creeds to make profit out
>>>>of
>>>>'em
>>>>I don't sell anything to anybody.period..
>>>>I never discuss religions.
>>>>I read books and I love to discover what motivates their authors to
>>>>write
>>>>and what they want from the reader to do or not to do and why .I
>>>>consider
>>>>Every book like an advertising message exactly like those
>>>>advertisements
>>>>we hear on the radio or see on TV or on billbords on highways. In fact
>>>>whatever we do to make a living is associated in one way or another
>>>>with advertisement. Even in romantic encounters, advertising is th
first
>>>>and
>>>>the most im****tant part of the mating game.
>>>>
>>>>What I said about Bhagavad gita is my honest opinion,
>>>>and I am sure most of my citizens will share the same views I
>>>>expressed
>>>>below if they had read this same book I commented freely and
without
>>>>any
>>>>exterior influence which has the power to affect my appraisal and
>>>>judgment
>>>>of the book as
>>>>an Arab who is not fanatic about religion but about Love songs of
>>>>Celine
>>>>Dion.
>>>>The fictious teachings of Bhagavad Gita are the main factors of the
>>>>backwardness
>>>>and the underdevelopment of the countries they believe in them .
>>>>Calcultta
>>>>and other India's cities are alive witnesses of human decadence.
>>>>And what you're doing here is to broadcast those ridiculous and
absurd
>>>>beliefs that are the cause of social decay and human degeneration
>>>>made
>>>>by some mentally disturbed person totally disconnected from the the
>>>>common
>>>>sense, from the reality of things, from science of inference and
>>>>reasoning.... in AN ATTEMPT to promote deliberately obscurantisme in
>>>>Arab
>>>>world already and still living in the dark middle ages like India
>>>>.Your
>>>>translation of the book you're advertising is another conspiracy
>>>>against
>>>>Arab people suffering tragedy after tragedy because of their
>>>>religion.Stop
>>>>promoting religion , any religion, they're the cause of all evil and
all
>>>>human hatred,hostility,suffering and wars.
>>>>Thanx anyhow to your dedication for helping humanity fight
>>>>resistance
>>>>to
>>>>peace,
>>>>to political & social progress by the spead of Bhagavad gita obsolete
>>>>and
>>>>misguiding teachings -
>>>>Don't you think you have enough armed conflicts and antagonism in
India
>>>>between different religions and social cl***** so you feel you have a
>>>>need
>>>>to ex****t them to another part of the world very sensitive about
>>>>religion
>>>>by
>>>>the mean of your bokk bhagavad gita.????Enough is enough, we are sick
>>>>and
>>>>tired of wars and tragedies killing our people . Do you get it Mr
>>>>unconscious salesman of hatred and hostility to our people?
>>>>
>>>>By the way who has created the arbitray and wrongful low caste
Hindu
>>>>groups "Harijan" the untouchables without any posibility of
>>>>climbing
>>>>the social ladder .???
>>>>
>>>>I believe any teaching that categorizes human beings of the same
beliefs
>>>>in
>>>>many groups some of them have eternal privileges meanwhile the
>>>>untouchables**** have no right at all
>>>>is an absurdity , a violation of human rights and dignity and his/her
>>>>author
>>>>must be prosecuted (if he'/she's still alive (:D
>>>>
>>>>Please pick up your trash from here and keep it where it belongs in
>>>>the
>>>>sewers
>>>>of Calcutta or with the heap of fresh your holy manure.
>>>>
>>>>Read Descartes or Kant before posting your inconsistencies with
obvious
>>>>truth and common sense./.
>>>>
>>>>===========================
>>>>Note :
>>>>Untouchables**** : When I'll find the untouchables chapter in the
book
>>>>"Bhagavad gita as it is" , I'll post the best passages of it , the
ones
>>>>that
>>>>will shock your dignity of a human being and you will cry for the
>>>>untouchables
>>>>like I did when I wrote this poeme verse :
>>>>
>>>>......serrer l'intouchable dans ses bras,
>>>>embrasser ses mains et mourir de bonheur ....
>>>>Et si apres lui avoir rendu son humanite,
>>>>tu voyais l'intouchable sourire ou pleurer,
>>>>pleure de bonheur avec lui et verse la derniere
>>>> larme sur ma tombe .
>>>>
>>>>Translation :
>>>>
>>>>...Hug the untouchable in your arms,
>>>>Kiss his/her hands and then allow yourself
>>>>to die of happiness.........
>>>>....And after giving him his/her humanity back,
>>>>if you see the untouchable crying or smiling,
>>>>cry with him of happiness ,
>>>>and drop your last tear on my grave.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>=============
>>>>
>>>><rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>news:7v9nm0l5do8namgkr4o0dj3kj5ptnp91uv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> With all due respect, your post reeks absolutism, religious
prejudice,
>>>>> ignorance, disrespect, intolerance of differences, contradictions,
>>>>> arrogance and splayed intelligence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I believe people who believe in hundreds of millions of gods
>>>>and in the istution of the untouchables caste system
>>>>are those who deserve your respect, your high knowledge,
>>>>your divine wisdom.....blahblah......
>>>>
>>>>I don't want any knowledge, nor intelligence, nor Bhagavad
illumination,
>>>>I prefer to keep an ignoramus, blind and idiot.
>>>>
>>>>Get out of the town!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I can understand that Bhagavad Gita is not for you and most people
but
>>>>> Bhagavad Gita was appreciated by many deep thinking men throughout
>>>>> history, among them many eminent Arabs like philosopher Kamal
Jumblat,
>>>>> writers like Michael Naimi and Gibran khalil Girbran. So, they are
>>>>> innocent persons whose brain is still in an embryonic state?
>>>>> Gibran was a follower of Bhagavad Gita and wrote a famous poem sang
by
>>>>> Fairoz called Ahtini Nay which is very popular in Lebanon.
>>>>> Another book which sold out many times in Lebanon was "Gitangali"
>>>>> which means "glorification of Bhagavad Gita.
>>>>> There are many thousands of Arabs who adore Bhagavad Gita, in Arab
>>>>> countries and the West.
>>>>> The original Bhagavad Gita is in Sanskrit language. Are you implying
>>>>> that your Sanskrit is better than your English!
>>>>> Your post leaves lots to be desired like who is an Arab, what is the
>>>>> 3rd millenium, what is personages, what is an Arab conception of a
>>>>> religion..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:44:27 GMT, "anonymuse"
<dontbother@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrotf:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The teachings of Bhagavad gita just don't sync
>>>>>>with Arab conception of a religion .They're in fact just the
opposite
>>>>>>and they don't make sense.
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>What Bhagavad gita tries to instill in the mind of the reader
>>>>>>is exactly what Prophete Mohamed was fighting against in Mecca :
>>>>>>idolatry.
>>>>>>Any Arab who reads this translation of Bhagavad gita will
>>>>>>laugh out loud .Some "personages" & chapters of Bhagavad gita are
not
>>>>>>different
>>>>>>from the characters of some cartoons and other fictious movies .
>>>>>>He/she who appreciates or believes in Bhagavad gita teaching must
be
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>very innocent person whose brain is still in an embryonic state-
>>>>>>I've read the original Bhagavad gita I was given in San Francisco.
>>>>>>This book you're promoting is not made for me nor for Arabs.
>>>>>>But it's interesting to read it and to know that they're are still
in
>>>>>>the 3 rd millenium some people who can believe in anything no
matter
>>>>>>how
>>>>>>incredible it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:qugkm0182c26l3ncohlcebqbi5olm8a7tc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> We are pleased to publish the celebrated Bhagavad Gita in Arabic
on
>>>>>>> the Internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.gitamrta.org/bhagavad_gita_arabic.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TRIBUTES To Bhagavad Gita
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Henry David Thoreau:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous
>>>>>>> and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita in
>>>>>>> comparison with which our modern world and its literature
>>>>>>> seems puny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "What extracts from the Vedas I have read fall on me like
>>>>>>> the light of a higher and purer luminary, which describes
>>>>>>> a loftier course through purer stratum. It rises on me
>>>>>>> like the full moon after the stars have come out, wading
>>>>>>> through some far stratum in the sky."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Arthur Schopenhauer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and
>>>>>>> so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the
>>>>>>> solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Ralph Waldo Emerson said this about the Gita:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Gita. It was as
>>>>>>> if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but
>>>>>>> large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old
>>>>>>> intelligence which in another age and climate had
>>>>>>> pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which
>>>>>>> exercise us."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The famous poem "Brahma" is an example of his Vedanta
>>>>>>> ecstasy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Wilhelm von Humboldt pronounced the Gita as:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The most beautiful, perhaps the only true philosophical
>>>>>>> song existing in any known tongue ... perhaps the deepest
>>>>>>> and loftiest thing the world has to show."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. Lord Warren Hastings, the Governor General, was very
>>>>>>> much impressed with Hindu philosophy:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The writers of the Indian philosophies will survive,
>>>>>>> when the British dominion in India shall long have ceased
>>>>>>> to exist, and when the sources which it yielded of wealth
>>>>>>> and power are lost to remembrances."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6. Mark Twain:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left
>>>>>>> undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most
>>>>>>> extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds.
>>>>>>> Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of
>>>>>>> human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of
>>>>>>> tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having
>>>>>>> seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse
>>>>>>> for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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