I am only concerned about the Bhagavad Gita and not about India social
problems. You are mistaken me for an Indian. I am an Arab.
Obviously, you are critical of India and everything Indian and our
discussion is getting nowhere and I really have no time for idle
hearsay. Try join Mother Teresa's order or donate some money to them
because they share your concerns.
I wish you all happiness in your paradise.
ObosOn Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:47:40 GMT, "anonymuse"
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>> The Bhagavad Gita is online www.gitamrta.org/bhagavad_gita_arabic.pdf
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>> and I challenge you to find anything resemble the word untouchables
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>The only way I can't find the children of the god Hari Visnu or simply
>the untouchable , it is because the use of the term and the
>social disabilities associated with it are declared illegal in the
>constitution
>adopted by the constituent assembly of India in 1949.Coz they
>realized this form of Hindu teachings was an immoral principle and
an
>unforgiving mistake made by people who originally created and used the
>Vedas .
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>> even close to it in an any part in this Vedic book.
>> It is the critic's job to first read and points out any
>> inconsistencies with quotes.
>> Bhagavad Gita is the first word of God and was revealed 5000 ago.
>> You may disagree and favor another word of God but disrespecting one
>> book in favor of another is sheer ignorance. There is only one God but
>> we humans, perceive Him differently. Without tolerance and respect,
>> man is no better than a four legged animal.
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>> .
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>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:49:13 GMT, "anonymuse" <dontbother@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrotf:
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>>><rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> You just proved my points.
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>>>I'd accept your points under one condition : tell this audience
>>>what do you think about the chapter of the untouchables depicted
>>>in your holy book Bhagavad gita.
>>>
>>>See ya aligator!
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>>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:43:05 GMT, "anonymuse" <dontbother@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> wrotf:
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>>>>>I am not a sales representative,I don't sell books -I don't promote
any
>>>>>book
>>>>>I don't promote any religion nor any other creeds to make profit
out
>>>>>of
>>>>>'em
>>>>>I don't sell anything to anybody.period..
>>>>>I never discuss religions.
>>>>>I read books and I love to discover what motivates their authors to
>>>>>write
>>>>>and what they want from the reader to do or not to do and why .I
>>>>>consider
>>>>>Every book like an advertising message exactly like those
>>>>>advertisements
>>>>>we hear on the radio or see on TV or on billbords on highways. In
fact
>>>>>whatever we do to make a living is associated in one way or another
>>>>>with advertisement. Even in romantic encounters, advertising is th
first
>>>>>and
>>>>>the most im****tant part of the mating game.
>>>>>
>>>>>What I said about Bhagavad gita is my honest opinion,
>>>>>and I am sure most of my citizens will share the same views I
>>>>>expressed
>>>>>below if they had read this same book I commented freely and
without
>>>>>any
>>>>>exterior influence which has the power to affect my appraisal and
>>>>>judgment
>>>>>of the book as
>>>>>an Arab who is not fanatic about religion but about Love songs of
>>>>>Celine
>>>>>Dion.
>>>>>The fictious teachings of Bhagavad Gita are the main factors of the
>>>>>backwardness
>>>>>and the underdevelopment of the countries they believe in them .
>>>>>Calcultta
>>>>>and other India's cities are alive witnesses of human decadence.
>>>>>And what you're doing here is to broadcast those ridiculous and
absurd
>>>>>beliefs that are the cause of social decay and human degeneration
>>>>>made
>>>>>by some mentally disturbed person totally disconnected from the the
>>>>>common
>>>>>sense, from the reality of things, from science of inference and
>>>>>reasoning.... in AN ATTEMPT to promote deliberately obscurantisme in
>>>>>Arab
>>>>>world already and still living in the dark middle ages like India
>>>>>.Your
>>>>>translation of the book you're advertising is another conspiracy
>>>>>against
>>>>>Arab people suffering tragedy after tragedy because of their
>>>>>religion.Stop
>>>>>promoting religion , any religion, they're the cause of all evil and
all
>>>>>human hatred,hostility,suffering and wars.
>>>>>Thanx anyhow to your dedication for helping humanity fight
>>>>>resistance
>>>>>to
>>>>>peace,
>>>>>to political & social progress by the spead of Bhagavad gita
obsolete
>>>>>and
>>>>>misguiding teachings -
>>>>>Don't you think you have enough armed conflicts and antagonism in
India
>>>>>between different religions and social cl***** so you feel you have a
>>>>>need
>>>>>to ex****t them to another part of the world very sensitive about
>>>>>religion
>>>>>by
>>>>>the mean of your bokk bhagavad gita.????Enough is enough, we are sick
>>>>>and
>>>>>tired of wars and tragedies killing our people . Do you get it Mr
>>>>>unconscious salesman of hatred and hostility to our people?
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way who has created the arbitray and wrongful low caste
Hindu
>>>>>groups "Harijan" the untouchables without any posibility of
>>>>>climbing
>>>>>the social ladder .???
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe any teaching that categorizes human beings of the same
beliefs
>>>>>in
>>>>>many groups some of them have eternal privileges meanwhile the
>>>>>untouchables**** have no right at all
>>>>>is an absurdity , a violation of human rights and dignity and his/her
>>>>>author
>>>>>must be prosecuted (if he'/she's still alive (:D
>>>>>
>>>>>Please pick up your trash from here and keep it where it belongs in
>>>>>the
>>>>>sewers
>>>>>of Calcutta or with the heap of fresh your holy manure.
>>>>>
>>>>>Read Descartes or Kant before posting your inconsistencies with
obvious
>>>>>truth and common sense./.
>>>>>
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>>>>>Note :
>>>>>Untouchables**** : When I'll find the untouchables chapter in the
book
>>>>>"Bhagavad gita as it is" , I'll post the best passages of it , the
ones
>>>>>that
>>>>>will shock your dignity of a human being and you will cry for the
>>>>>untouchables
>>>>>like I did when I wrote this poeme verse :
>>>>>
>>>>>......serrer l'intouchable dans ses bras,
>>>>>embrasser ses mains et mourir de bonheur ....
>>>>>Et si apres lui avoir rendu son humanite,
>>>>>tu voyais l'intouchable sourire ou pleurer,
>>>>>pleure de bonheur avec lui et verse la derniere
>>>>> larme sur ma tombe .
>>>>>
>>>>>Translation :
>>>>>
>>>>>...Hug the untouchable in your arms,
>>>>>Kiss his/her hands and then allow yourself
>>>>>to die of happiness.........
>>>>>....And after giving him his/her humanity back,
>>>>>if you see the untouchable crying or smiling,
>>>>>cry with him of happiness ,
>>>>>and drop your last tear on my grave.
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>=============
>>>>>
>>>>><rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> With all due respect, your post reeks absolutism, religious
prejudice,
>>>>>> ignorance, disrespect, intolerance of differences, contradictions,
>>>>>> arrogance and splayed intelligence.
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>>>>>
>>>>>I believe people who believe in hundreds of millions of gods
>>>>>and in the istution of the untouchables caste system
>>>>>are those who deserve your respect, your high knowledge,
>>>>>your divine wisdom.....blahblah......
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't want any knowledge, nor intelligence, nor Bhagavad
illumination,
>>>>>I prefer to keep an ignoramus, blind and idiot.
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>>>>>Get out of the town!!!
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>>>>>> I can understand that Bhagavad Gita is not for you and most people
but
>>>>>> Bhagavad Gita was appreciated by many deep thinking men throughout
>>>>>> history, among them many eminent Arabs like philosopher Kamal
Jumblat,
>>>>>> writers like Michael Naimi and Gibran khalil Girbran. So, they are
>>>>>> innocent persons whose brain is still in an embryonic state?
>>>>>> Gibran was a follower of Bhagavad Gita and wrote a famous poem sang
by
>>>>>> Fairoz called Ahtini Nay which is very popular in Lebanon.
>>>>>> Another book which sold out many times in Lebanon was "Gitangali"
>>>>>> which means "glorification of Bhagavad Gita.
>>>>>> There are many thousands of Arabs who adore Bhagavad Gita, in Arab
>>>>>> countries and the West.
>>>>>> The original Bhagavad Gita is in Sanskrit language. Are you
implying
>>>>>> that your Sanskrit is better than your English!
>>>>>> Your post leaves lots to be desired like who is an Arab, what is
the
>>>>>> 3rd millenium, what is personages, what is an Arab conception of a
>>>>>> religion..
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:44:27 GMT, "anonymuse"
<dontbother@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> wrotf:
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>>>>>>>The teachings of Bhagavad gita just don't sync
>>>>>>>with Arab conception of a religion .They're in fact just the
opposite
>>>>>>>and they don't make sense.
>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>What Bhagavad gita tries to instill in the mind of the reader
>>>>>>>is exactly what Prophete Mohamed was fighting against in Mecca :
>>>>>>>idolatry.
>>>>>>>Any Arab who reads this translation of Bhagavad gita will
>>>>>>>laugh out loud .Some "personages" & chapters of Bhagavad gita are
not
>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>from the characters of some cartoons and other fictious movies
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>>>>>>>He/she who appreciates or believes in Bhagavad gita teaching must
be
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>very innocent person whose brain is still in an embryonic state-
>>>>>>>I've read the original Bhagavad gita I was given in San
Francisco.
>>>>>>>This book you're promoting is not made for me nor for Arabs.
>>>>>>>But it's interesting to read it and to know that they're are still
in
>>>>>>>the 3 rd millenium some people who can believe in anything no
matter
>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>incredible it is.
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>>>>>>><rami21@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>news:qugkm0182c26l3ncohlcebqbi5olm8a7tc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>> We are pleased to publish the celebrated Bhagavad Gita in Arabic
on
>>>>>>>> the Internet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.gitamrta.org/bhagavad_gita_arabic.pdf
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TRIBUTES To Bhagavad Gita
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Henry David Thoreau:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous
>>>>>>>> and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita in
>>>>>>>> comparison with which our modern world and its literature
>>>>>>>> seems puny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "What extracts from the Vedas I have read fall on me like
>>>>>>>> the light of a higher and purer luminary, which describes
>>>>>>>> a loftier course through purer stratum. It rises on me
>>>>>>>> like the full moon after the stars have come out, wading
>>>>>>>> through some far stratum in the sky."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Arthur Schopenhauer:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and
>>>>>>>> so elevating as that of the Upanishads. It has been the
>>>>>>>> solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Ralph Waldo Emerson said this about the Gita:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Gita. It was as
>>>>>>>> if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy, but
>>>>>>>> large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old
>>>>>>>> intelligence which in another age and climate had
>>>>>>>> pondered and thus disposed of the same questions which
>>>>>>>> exercise us."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The famous poem "Brahma" is an example of his Vedanta
>>>>>>>> ecstasy.
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Wilhelm von Humboldt pronounced the Gita as:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The most beautiful, perhaps the only true philosophical
>>>>>>>> song existing in any known tongue ... perhaps the deepest
>>>>>>>> and loftiest thing the world has to show."
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. Lord Warren Hastings, the Governor General, was very
>>>>>>>> much impressed with Hindu philosophy:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The writers of the Indian philosophies will survive,
>>>>>>>> when the British dominion in India shall long have ceased
>>>>>>>> to exist, and when the sources which it yielded of wealth
>>>>>>>> and power are lost to remembrances."
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6. Mark Twain:
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>>>>>>>> "So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left
>>>>>>>> undone, either by man or nature, to make India the most
>>>>>>>> extraordinary country that the sun visits on his rounds.
>>>>>>>> Nothing seems to have been forgotten, nothing overlooked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of
>>>>>>>> human speech, grandmother of legend, great grandmother of
>>>>>>>> tradition. The land that all men desire to see and having
>>>>>>>> seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse
>>>>>>>> for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."
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