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Re: Europeans see what America cannot

by "captain." <spammersmustdie@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM

"VTR" <Vtar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> Europeans see what America cannot
> By ERIC MARGOLIS, TORONTO SUN
>
> At this week's NATO conference in Vilnius, Lithuania, an angry U.S. 
> Secretary of Defence Robert
> Gates accused some Europeans of not being prepared to "fight and die" in

> Afghanistan in the
> battle against the Taliban.
>
> The undiplomatic Gates is quite right. Most Europeans regard the Afghan 
> conflict as a. wrong
> and immoral; b. America's war; c. all about oil; or d. probably lost.
>
> To many Europeans, the NATO alliance was created to deter the real
threat 
> of Soviet aggression,
> not to supply foot soldiers for George Bush's wars in the Muslim world.
>
> While Gates and the Harper government were pleading for more troops, the

> commander of the
> 40,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan, U.S. Gen. Dan McNeill, landed a 
> bombshell. If proper U.S.
> military counter-insurgency doctrine were followed, McNeill admitted,
the 
> U.S. and NATO would
> need 400,000 troops to defeat Pashtun tribal resistance in Afghanistan.
>
> When the Soviets occupied Afghanistan, they deployed 160,000 troops and 
> about 200,000 Afghan
> Communist troops -- yet failed to crush the mostly Pashtun resistance. 
> Now, the U.S. and NATO
> are trying the same mission with only 66,000 troops, backed by local 
> mercenaries grandly styled
> the Afghan National Army.
>
> Canada's calls for 1,000 more NATO troops, and the U.S. decision to send

> 3,200 marines, will
> not alter the course of this war, which is turning increasingly against 
> the western occupiers.
> In fact, the war is spreading into neighbouring Pakistan, a nation of
165 
> million, stretching
> U.S. and NATO forces ever thinner.
>
> A primary reason for Gates' recent call for U.S. troops to begin
attacking 
> pro-Taliban Pashtun
> tribesmen inside Pakistan is due to their growing attacks on allied
supply 
> lines to Afghanistan.
>
> As this column has re****ted, over 70% of U.S./NATO supplies come in by 
> truck through Pakistan's
> tribal belt known as FATA, including all of their oil and gas. Attacks
by 
> pro-Taliban tribesmen
> against these vulnerable supply lines are jeopardizing western military 
> operations inside
> Afghanistan.
>
> HUNTERS NOW HUNTED
>
> The hunters are becoming the hunted. Cutting off invaders' supply lines
is 
> a time-honoured
> Pashtun military tactic. They used it against Alexander the Great, the 
> British, and Soviets,
> and are at it again.
>
> What angry Sec. Gates fails to see is that by pu****ng NATO into a
distant 
> Asian war without
> political purpose or seeming end, he is endangering the very alliance
that 
> is the bedrock of
> U.S. power in Europe.
>
> Europeans increasingly ask why they need the U.S.-dominated military 
> alliance, a Cold War
> relic, in which they continue to play foot soldiers to America's atomic 
> knights, to paraphrase
> the late German statesman, Franz Josef Strauss.
>
> Why does the rich, powerful European Union even need NATO any more? The 
> Soviet threat is gone
> -- at least for now. Nuclear-armed France and Britain are quite capable
of 
> defending Europe
> against outside threats. Why can't the new European Defence Force take 
> over NATO's role of
> defending Europe and protecting EU interests?
>
> In short, most Europeans see no benefit in playing junior members in an 
> alliance whose historic
> time has passed and that serves primarily as an instrument of U.S.
power. 
> Wa****ngton's sharpest
> geopolitical thinker, Zbigniew Brzezinski, calls NATO a "stepping stone"

> the U.S. uses to
> project power into Europe.
>
> By pu****ng NATO towards a bridge too far, the Bush administration may
end 
> up fatally
> undermining the alliance and encouraging anti-American forces in Europe.
>
> In fact, it's becoming evident that the cash-strapped U.S. needs the EU 
> more than the EU needs
> the U.S.
>
> CONSCRIPTION
>
> Final point. If impassioned claims by U.S. and Canadian politicians that

> the little Afghanistan
> war must by won at all costs, then why don't they stop orating, impose 
> conscription, and send
> 400,000 soldiers, including their own sons, to fight in Afghanistan?
>
> Of course they won't. They prefer to waste their own soldiers, and grind

> up Afghanistan, rather
> than admit this war against 40 million Pashtun tribesmen was a terrible 
> mistake that will only
> get worse.
>
>
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/02/10/4838323-sun.php

it's true. europe doesn't really need nato anymore.
as for conscription, any attempt to do that would bring down the canadian 
government within a day.
i don't imagine it would be terribly popular in the usa either.
 




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Europeans see what America cannot
VTR <Vtar@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-02-12 13:30:17 
Re: Europeans see what America cannot
"Ivan" <Uncl  2008-02-12 15:17:40 
Re: Europeans see what America cannot
"captain." <  2008-02-12 23:47:38 
Re: Europeans see what America cannot
Robin T Cox <nomail@[E  2008-02-13 10:12:15 

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