Benjamin writes:
>> Erdogan, speaking in front of almost 20,000 people (more...) at a
stadium in
>> the German city of Cologne on Sunday, called for people of Turkish
descent
>> not to give up their cultural heritage."
>>
>> Yet in Turkey people are COMPELLED to "assimilate" and even deny their
>> identity! What a despicable, rotten country! How could anyone have ever
>> considered to let that country join the EU!
>
> Turks will never join the EU unless they recognise the Armenian
> genocide and all the massacres they inflicted upon their minorities.
> It also directly shows to us that Islam is NOT integratable. It's a
> rotten and deadly religion that needs to be dealt with, sooner the
> better. Turkey and its islamist leader****p sup****ts the islamisation
> of our continent by mass immigration.
>
> On the other hand, Kemalist Turkey is as you rightly said, fascist,
> rotten and ultra-nationalist. Nonetheless, at least, it isn't islamist
> and so doesn't take part in what Erdogan and his folks do. None are
> good, but the latter is somewhat better for our interests than the
> former.
>
> Israel has way more legitimacy to join the European Union since it is
> a European nation by culture, by music, by its people, by many things.
> Israel is the beacon of democracy, respect for human rights and
> Western values in the backward Middle East. Turkey has never been part
> of those values because they plundered, destroyed and wrecked havoc
> all of the former Eastern Christian empires. It imposed its backward
> lifestyle upon millions of people, continued to live through tyranny
> and ignorance for centuries until some enlightened Ottomans (Tanzimat)
> understood that Western civilization and Europe was way more ahead of
> them so they tride to emulate our own Western values for their own
> benefit. But because of their sick ultra-nationalistic, non-European
> mind, they committed mass murder against their minorities and still
> don't acknowledge them. It is the duty of every civilized nation to
> impose upon the Turkish government to acknowledge, admit, repent and
> repair for their former crimes. Just as Germany had to do with the
> Holocaust.
Agree. In Turkey people seem to have the choice between some sort of
Kemalist, militaristic fascism and Islamic fascism. The real moderate and
democratic people with decent humanistic views either no more exist in
Turkey, or are jailed or were killed (when the military took over). If a
few of those that managed to survive in freedom dare to speak out, they
get
taken to court (like Pamuk).
The West seems to have learned (rather slowly) to believe no more the
Turkish propaganda about its tolerance and democracy. Turkey will never
have a chance of joining the EU, as long as it shows no signs that a third
strong group of moderate, *real* liberally and democratically minded
people
(apart from Kemalists and Islamists) is also present as a strong influence
in Turkey.
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