"PolishKnight" <marek1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Mar 3, 1:26 am, "Society" <Soci...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "PolishKnight" <mar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:marek1-1FCC28.16183701032008@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Society wrote:
>>
>> >> MCP re****ted...
>>
>> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7263783.stm
>>
>> >> > US Democratic front-runners Hillary Clinton and
>> >> > Barack Obama have traded accusations over a photo
>> >> > of Mr Obama circulating on the internet. The picture,
>> >> > sent to the Drudge Re****t website, shows Mr Obama
>> >> > wearing traditional Somali dress during a visit to Kenya
>> >> > in 2006. [...]
>>
>> >> The flap over this picture -- that I haven't seen, btw --
>> >> greatly amuses me. So which way does Senator Obama
>> >> want it, is he an African-American -- in which case,
>> >> the picture of him in African dress is no big deal --
>> >> or is he an American who happens to be _black_ --
>> >> in which case it's still no big deal.
Don't be so ridiculous. Obama wearing the national dress of his ancestors
is
no different than an American of Scottish descent wearing a kilt in
Scotland.
>>
>> >> But the squabbles between the feminist and racist camps
>> >> of the Identity Politics party in America, represented by
>> >> Senator Clinton and Senator Obama respectively, sure is
>> >> fun to watch. Heh heh.
>>
>> > [...] Indeed, I know two white male Obama sup****ters.
>> > It will be interesting to see how a _black_ president
>> > appeases white liberals for a change.
>>
>> A black president elected by the more leftist of the two
>> in***bent parties will signal to America, especially to
>> its "white liberals," that the statute of limitations on
>> Jim Crow has run out. Tho' it may be counterintuitive,
>> I expect that after the Huey Newton wannabees and
>> white Huey Newton groupie wannabees in America's
>> leftwing in***bent party throw their big, blowout
>> victory party and pass a few pieces of their wacko
>> black reparations agenda, mainstream America will
>> turn toward the spirit of California's Prop 209 and
>> the courts will follow.
>
> I hope you're right. I was actually thinking the opposite: That if
> Obama started demanding reparations for blacks, outright, upon
> entering office that this would overshadow his presidency from the
> beginning. In addition, he also would owe a lot to white liberals
> rather than the other way around.
Reparations don't even make sense for a number of reasons. First, when the
US was formed they wrote into the Constitution a provision that the slave
trade was abolished by a 1808. The Federal gov't did not have the power or
Navy to prevent the im****tation of slaves but when they did they blockaded
****ps carrying slaves. Slave owners were private individuals, the gov't
owned no slaves or did 99% of the citizens. Sue the estates of the slave
owners. We know who owned slaves and the names of the slaves as well as
the
****p manifests which are still in existence. The problem is that the Civil
War bankrupted these slave owners so there is no money to be had and
they're
going after the deep pockets.
Then you have to determine which Negroes (or non Negroes) were in fact
slaves. Many Negroes were freemen and some owned slaves themselves.
There's
also the problem in the US that most Negroes are of mixed race and are
White
themselves. And what about the Negroes that came into the US after the
Civil
War? Do they get reparations as well? Does the country now known as Benin
(the major slave embarkation ****t) have to pay reparations too?
I find it ironic that the US which is the only country that really did
anything about slavery gets the most criticism. They abolished the slave
trade in the Constitution, fought a Civil War years later and established
the country of Liberia as a homeland for former slaves(President Monroe).
I
know someone is going to mention that England abolished slavery in their
colonies like Jamaica for example, but they had no choice since these
areas
are practically all black and they could no longer maintain order or stop
slave revolts.
90% of the West African slave trade had nothing to do with the US and
these
slaves were in the West Indies and the south and were owned by European
cor****ations and used on huge plantations more brutal than the rather
benign
form of slavery in the US. Are any of these cor****ations(many still in
business) paying reparations?
>
>> In the long run, I expect an Obama victory would be
>> a Pyhrric victory that would permanently cripple
>> both the identity politics of blacks and ***ists
>> of the female supremacist persuasion.
>
> I think it's driving feminists nuts since they thought they were going
> to inherit the throne. Hillary represents what most people think of
> powerful career women: nasty and unlikeable. Her crying jags only got
> her so far. She shouldn't have gone there.
>
>> However, I don't expect Obama to win this fall even if
>> he does secure the Democrat Party's nomination for
>> President.
>
> It's almost a foregone conclusion he's getting the nomination. You
> think McCain is going to win?
>
> McCain is kind of like Dole only with more problems. He had strong
> sup****t in the mainstream media in the republican primaries as a RINO
> but now that sup****t has clearly abandoned him faster than military
> intelligence abandoned Rambo. It's possible that he'll get a lot of
> moderate Democrats who will vote for him for the same reason I'm
> voting against him: Because he would be a fantastic moderate Democrat
> without the liability of his policies reflecting badly on the Democrat
> party. But it's questionable how many Democrats would make an effort
> to go to the polls just to vote against their own party when Obama
> hasn't done anything to offend them. His positions don't reflect
> "change" but just the opposite: Good ol' liberal and politically
> correct politics.
>
>> > Wasn't there a Star Trek episode like this
>> > where they had an alternate universe
>> > where everything was opposite?
>>
>> I don't know which episode you're referring to.
>>
>> IMO, all versions of the _Star Trek_ franchise had
>> too many "alternate universe" episodes.
>
> I guess you're saying _all_ of them were unrealistic and I agree. The
> old series was a bit more realistic showing women in more traditional,
> ***ist roles that represented the pinnacle of feminine "equality".
>
>> --
>> With public sentiment nothing can fail;
>> without it nothing can succeed.
>>
>> Abraham Lincoln
>>
>> quoted by James Oakes in _The Radical and the Republican :
>> Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, and the Triumph
>> of Antislavery Politics_, W.W. Norton and Company;
>> New York (2007) p.76
>
> If Stonewall hadn't gotten himself killed, I'd be living in
> Confederate territory about now.
>
> Feminism and marxism in the west have stronger public sup****t than
> Christianity ever had. They are the law and policies of the land, but
> are they succeeding?
>
> regards,
> PolishKnight
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