On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
The Highlander <micheil@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 9:29 pm, kronec...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
> >
> > Fitna - the Dutch film about Islam.(English version)
> >
> > K.
>
> Nice propaganda piece, but way off target. You can do the same thing
> with the Bible and get pretty much the same story.
> I assume you've never lived with Arabs and have no Arab friends. I
> qualify in both instances and I know what I'm talking about as I have
> an Arab son and among Arabs am known as Abu Jamil - Jamil's father.
> That film is a hate film, not a fair or even-handed review of Islam.
> The film confuses radicalism with the millions of Muslims who,lead the
> same lives as millions of Christians and believe in the same God.
> Islam is firmly based on Christianity and ****tions of the Q'uran are
> taken directly from the Christian Bible. In Islam, Mary, the mother of
> Christs is honoured above all others except God himself, and Jesus is
> considered the second prophet after the prophet Mohamed. And I should
> add that I am a convinced atheist and have been since I read the story
> of the Holocaust and decided that God must be a monster if the
> Holocaust was what he did to his chosen people.
>
> Do not forget too that Christians can be found throughout the Arab
> world; in Lebanon, Egypt, Palestine and Iraq where they are called
> Assyrians; the people of the chariots who fought against the Jews and
> the Eqyptians when the Children of Israel were slaves in Egypt.
>
> Muslims and Jews in partner****p created the beautiful buildings in
> Cordova, Spain, and gave us many of our modern disciplines, from
> medicine to algebra, the secret of Damascus steel which they left in
> Spain and with which we Highlanders fought the English. It is no
> accident that Arabic and Hebrew are no more different from each other
> than are Scots and English; today's Palestinians are yesterday's
> Philistines - in Arabic, called Falasteen. And Eloi, the God of the
> Jews, is probably better known to you as Allah.
>
> It is nonsense for us to be fighting Muslims and as you know, many
> Muslim countries have refused to join in the wars against us, because
> they too see how Islam is being abused by fanatics. Muslim troops have
> already fought beside us in Afghanistan, including Turkey, the biggest
> Army in the Middle East and incidently, the only Muslim country which
> actively sup****ts and trades with Israel. Wheels within wheels.
>
> Fitna was condemned by the major US newspapers, although most agreed
> that in the interests of freedom of speech, it should be allowed to be
> shown. The Wa****ngton Times described it as "pre-emptive rage" while
> the Christian Science Monitor said it would create strife. The
> International Herald Tribune defended the maker's right to free
> speech, but none said the film had their approval.
>
> The people shown in Fitna are the equivalent of the many so-called
> Christians who attack those of different Christian faiths and those
> who have no belief in a God.
>
> You are, I believe, a Scot. By now you should have learned never to
> believe anything you can't confirm elsewhere or which seems too good
> to be true. We Scots are famous for our calm commonsense. Don't let
> others mislead you.
> You never know who your friends are until they are put to the test and
> in these days of stunning lies being the normal way that governments
> speak to their people, you should trust nothing until you see it
> tested. Muslims are no different from anyone else; they want a safe
> place to sleep; clean drinking water and a better future for their
> children.
>
> One of my oldest friends was Sheikh _VAbdul _VAziz Al Tuwaijri, the
> Imam of Kuwait, who died just a couple of months ago and now joins
> too many of my old friends. He and I spent months trying to track
> down two other friends, both Iraqis, who we thought might have been
> killed by Saddam or in the bombing of Baghdad. Recently I had word of
> them; both are safe and living in Switzerland, and interestingly,
> know Carmen bin Laden, the former wife of Osama's brother. Another of
> Osama's brothers is a respected member of society in London and a
> popular guest at parties!
>
> The "Fog of War" conceals many truths and untruths; and individuals
> can rise above themselves and be very unlike the stereotypes we burden
> them with. I am thinking in particular of a former member of the
> Waffen SS, who saved my life... And also of Princess Margaret, who
> danced one evening with a man I knew, a captain in the Scots Guards,
> and asked him how it felt to be dancing with the most beautiful woman
> in London. He began to stammer and she started to laugh and said,
> "Don't you believe everything you read in the Daily Mirror?"
> Nor should you!
Fair enough; they're not _all_ medieval regressionists, and we
shouldn't tar them all with the same brush.
Would you say that the spread of islam within the west poses no threat
to western culture, values, crime rates, freedoms and democracy?
Are modern islamic states pillars of innovation, success, and personal
freedom; or are they, in fact, theocratic regimes and economic
basket-cases (aside from oil cash) with a penchant for severe human
rights abuses?
Are English muslims, of whom nearly half want shariah law for the UK,
different to, say, non-religious whites who wish to maintain secular
democracy?
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