Re: Lack Of Trees In Irish And British Countrysides

Billy wrote:
> In article <68lqtbF2t6vuqU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Hal Ã" Mearadhaigh. <homestud@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Someone else wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:45 +0000 (GMT), jl <jl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <68johfF2thkejU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>>>>   Hal Ã" Mearadhaigh. <homestud@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> Someone else wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:57:04 +1000, "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 be given>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For those who think that Ireland never had significant forest cover
>>> please see:
>>>
>>> www.lhi.org.uk/docs/History_Project_1.pdf
>>>
>>> "The first wave of colonisation was by birch, aspen and sallow.
>>> About 8 500 BC. pine and hazel spread northwards, replacing the
>>> birch, which became uncommon. The pine colonisation was followed by
>>> a wave of oak and alder. Lime and elm followed this, then holly,
>>> ash, beech, hornbeam and maple."
>>>
>>>>> Ireland's population grew to around 8 million. But that had little
>>>>> to do with the state of the forests. Disease and over harvesting
>>>>> of trees were the main causes of the deforestation.
>>>
>>> Who was it that was responsible for that overharvesting?
>>
>> NOT the British, who always had plenty of forests of their own, but
>> also im****ted any woods for ****p building mostly from Scandinavia.
>>
>>>
>>>> As Ireland had no coal, the needs of 8 million people for charcoal
>>>> and cooking woulkd certainly damage the forests. Peat was available
>>>> of course - but only after the forests had made room for it.
>>>
>>> No, it was always available...
>>
>> Peat bogs? of course. But they were also forested.
>>
>>>
>>>> If local attitudes to trees were the same then as now, it is
>>>> surprising that any trees survived at all.
>>>>
>>>> "That tree will knock that wall down - cut it down".
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that sentence so often, it makes me sick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Manufacturing, farming, and the
>>>>> monies being made out of harvesting the peat bogs were main
>>>>> causes. (Alas Bord Na Mona, so much for greed). Blaming the
>>>>> British, (English) is merely being paranoid and specious.
>>>
>>> Not if it actually was the British that cut down the Irish forests
>>> to build the fleet that fought the Spanish Armada.
>>>
>>> http://www.russellmcmurtrey.com/
>>>
>>> "Ireland used to be covered with a lot of oak forest until the peak
>>> British armada years where much of it was cut down for making
>>> ****ps."
>>>
>>> and, interestingly,
>>>
>>> http://www.millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/nucci.html
>>>
>>> "The Queen gave Ralegh a massive estate in Ireland. He later
>>> plundered this Irish land for its forests in order to finance one
>>> of his expeditions."
>>>
>>> "He exploited the natural resources of Irish forestry to fund his
>>> expedition and targeted religious dissidents for settlement in
>>> English outposts."
>>>
>>>>> Britain had more than enough
>>>>> forests of her own to build all the ****ps she wished!!
>>>
>>> Maybe so / maybe not but the ruling class of Britain still cut down
>>> the trees of Ireland.
>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware Britain got most of it's marine supplies from
>>>> the Baltic countries
>>>
>>> What? There were substantial Oak forests in Latvia?
>>>
>>> For the ****ps that fought the Spanish Armada?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper to have felled the trees in
>>> nearby Ireland?
>>>
>>>> - that trade certainly is mentioned quite frequently in
>>>> various history books.
>>>
>>> Which ones precisely?
>>>
>>> Nik
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> Shame on you Hal. jl gave you a retort with citations to prove his
> point. Until you do likewise, we can only assume that you are blowing
> hot air.

EERMM! I may be wrong, but I believe that jl was responding to Nik in
fact. 
I will Google for you if you want, but that too is a snare and a delusion
in 
that in the end one is only forwarding on other peoples opinions as facts 
when they are not.

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.