On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:55:43 -0700, Billy <wildbilly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>In article <68lse9F2u12jfU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. <homestud@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. wrote:
>> > Someone else wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:45 +0000 (GMT), jl <jl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> In article <68johfF2thkejU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> >>> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. <homestud@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> Someone else wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:57:04 +1000, "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
be given>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> For those who think that Ireland never had significant forest cover
>> >> please see:
>> >>
>> >> www.lhi.org.uk/docs/History_Project_1.pdf
>> >>
>> >> "The first wave of colonisation was by birch, aspen and sallow.
About
>> >> 8 500 BC. pine and hazel spread northwards, replacing the birch,
>> >> which became uncommon. The pine colonisation was followed by a wave
>> >> of oak and alder. Lime and elm followed this, then holly, ash,
beech,
>> >> hornbeam and maple."
>> >>
>> >>>> Ireland's population grew to around 8 million. But that had little
>> >>>> to do with the state of the forests. Disease and over harvesting
of
>> >>>> trees were the main causes of the deforestation.
>> >>
>> >> Who was it that was responsible for that overharvesting?
>> >
>> > NOT the British, who always had plenty of forests of their own, but
>> > also im****ted any woods for ****p building mostly from Scandinavia.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> As Ireland had no coal, the needs of 8 million people for charcoal
>> >>> and cooking woulkd certainly damage the forests. Peat was available
>> >>> of course - but only after the forests had made room for it.
>> >>
>> >> No, it was always available...
>> >
>> > Peat bogs? of course. But they were also forested.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> If local attitudes to trees were the same then as now, it is
>> >>> surprising that any trees survived at all.
>> >>>
>> >>> "That tree will knock that wall down - cut it down".
>> >>>
>> >>> I've heard that sentence so often, it makes me sick.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Manufacturing, farming, and the
>> >>>> monies being made out of harvesting the peat bogs were main
causes.
>> >>>> (Alas Bord Na Mona, so much for greed). Blaming the British,
>> >>>> (English) is merely being paranoid and specious.
>> >>
>> >> Not if it actually was the British that cut down the Irish forests
to
>> >> build the fleet that fought the Spanish Armada.
>>
>> Nonsense! : See
>> http://fubini.swarthmore.edu/~ENVS2/S2003/jessiewhit/deforestation.html
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.russellmcmurtrey.com/
>> >>
>> >> "Ireland used to be covered with a lot of oak forest until the peak
>> >> British armada years where much of it was cut down for making
****ps."
>> >>
>> >> and, interestingly,
>> >>
>> >> http://www.millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/nucci.html
>> >>
>> >> "The Queen gave Ralegh a massive estate in Ireland. He later
>> >> plundered this Irish land for its forests in order to finance one of
>> >> his expeditions."
>>
>> So? If the estates were his,
>
>Oh so now you have gone and done it. You had to bring up the conquest
>and all the troubles that entails. There was a considerable amount of
>resistance to the idea of Irish property being requisitioned by the
>English. You may have heard about it.
The crime of taking property using force is, in law, called
'aggravated robbery'. Furthermore, the passing of time makes that
property no less stolen.
>> >> "He exploited the natural resources of Irish forestry to fund his
>> >> expedition and targeted religious dissidents for settlement in
>> >> English outposts."
>>
>> Your source?
http://www.millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/nucci.html
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Nik
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