Re: Lack Of Trees In Irish And British Countrysides

On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:52:06 -0700, Billy <wildbilly@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:

>In article <68lqtbF2t6vuqU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. <homestud@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Someone else wrote:
>> > On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:45 +0000 (GMT), jl <jl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <68johfF2thkejU1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>> >>   Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. <homestud@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>> Someone else wrote:
>> >>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:57:04 +1000, "FarmI" <ask@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 be given>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > For those who think that Ireland never had significant forest cover
>> > please see:
>> >
>> > www.lhi.org.uk/docs/History_Project_1.pdf
>> >
>> > "The first wave of colonisation was by birch, aspen and sallow. About
>> > 8 500 BC. pine and hazel spread northwards, replacing the birch,
which
>> > became uncommon. The pine colonisation was followed by a wave of oak
>> > and alder. Lime and elm followed this, then holly, ash, beech,
>> > hornbeam and maple."
>> >
>> >>> Ireland's population grew to around 8 million. But that had little
>> >>> to do with the state of the forests. Disease and over harvesting of
>> >>> trees were the main causes of the deforestation.
>> >
>> > Who was it that was responsible for that overharvesting?
>> 
>> NOT the British, who always had plenty of forests of their own, but
also 
>> im****ted any woods for ****p building mostly from Scandinavia.

So, <laughter>, are you telling me that the British overlords of
Ireland didn't use any of the forests of Ireland for their own ****p
building?

>> >> As Ireland had no coal, the needs of 8 million people for charcoal
>> >> and cooking woulkd certainly damage the forests. Peat was available
>> >> of course - but only after the forests had made room for it.
>> >
>> > No, it was always available...
>> 
>> Peat bogs? of course. But they were also forested.

Yes, but not completely.

>> >> If local attitudes to trees were the same then as now, it is
>> >> surprising that any trees survived at all.
>> >>
>> >> "That tree will knock that wall down - cut it down".
>> >>
>> >> I've heard that sentence so often, it makes me sick.
>> >>
>> >>> Manufacturing, farming, and the
>> >>> monies being made out of harvesting the peat bogs were main causes.
>> >>> (Alas Bord Na Mona, so much for greed). Blaming the British,
>> >>> (English) is merely being paranoid and specious.
>> >
>> > Not if it actually was the British that cut down the Irish forests to
>> > build the fleet that fought the Spanish Armada.
>> >
>> > http://www.russellmcmurtrey.com/
>> >
>> > "Ireland used to be covered with a lot of oak forest until the peak
>> > British armada years where much of it was cut down for making ****ps."
>> >
>> > and, interestingly,
>> >
>> > http://www.millersville.edu/~columbus/papers/nucci.html
>> >
>> > "The Queen gave Ralegh a massive estate in Ireland. He later
plundered
>> > this Irish land for its forests in order to finance one of his
>> > expeditions."
>> >
>> > "He exploited the natural resources of Irish forestry to fund his
>> > expedition and targeted religious dissidents for settlement in
English
>> > outposts."
>> >
>> >>> Britain had more than enough
>> >>> forests of her own to build all the ****ps she wished!!
>> >
>> > Maybe so / maybe not but the ruling class of Britain still cut down
>> > the trees of Ireland.
>> >
>> >> As far as I'm aware Britain got most of it's marine supplies from
the
>> >> Baltic countries
>> >
>> > What? There were substantial Oak forests in Latvia?
>> >
>> > For the ****ps that fought the Spanish Armada?
>> >
>> > Wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper to have felled the trees in
>> > nearby Ireland?
>> >
>> >> - that trade certainly is mentioned quite frequently in
>> >> various history books.
>> >
>> > Which ones precisely?

>Shame on you Hal. jl gave you a retort with citations to prove his 
>point. Until you do likewise, we can only assume that you are blowing 
>hot air.

Hal has done nothing else than blow hot air. Regulars of SCI have long
ago come to this conclusion.

Nik

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