Re: DOLLAR COLLAPSE NOW IMMINENT

On May 15, 3:44 pm, BobR <re...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > Ok, you posed a question earlier now let me pose a question to you
and
> > > the rest of the participants.
>
> > > Lets deal with just the United States and discuss a hypothetical
> > > situation and what the results would be.  Take all of the wealth in
> > > all forms from all the people of this country and divided it equally
> > > among all of the population so that each person starts on an equal
> > > position.  What would be the result of such a distribution 10 years,
> > > 20 years, 40 years later and why?
>
> > Without government all the wealth would be in the hands of a few
people
> > all over again.
>
> Exactly.  Within the 40 years or two generations the distribution of
> wealth would be virtually identical to what it is now.

Well, the counter argument is: look at the Marxist states. Not a nice
picture, but Cuba, for example, is actually passable considering that
the US essentially has a blockade of the Cuban economy. What if that
blockade were not there? Ask yourself that. I remember back in the
'50s-'60s, the Soviet Union's economy was expanding at 10-11% per
year, at least for a number of years. Look at China: they only got
private property about one year ago, and look what they, a
totalitarian govt, did in the 10-20 years before. Not much freedom,
but a lot of reforms.

> >The "all at once" redistribution of the wealth in the
> > way you describe has never happened before.
>
> And I would never propose that it should happen but the concept is
> what I was getting at.

The oldest legit method for redistributing the wealth is plain old
taxation. In the last 2-3 decades the burden on the rich has been cut
back quite a bit. On their own, the rich have been doing all kinds of
tax-dodging and that ain't right. Fix the tax system would be my first
simple choice, but they have to get serious about it. Fix this crap
where cor****ations can pay zero taxes and ex****t the whole company to
Dubai or someplace and beat the tax while making big bucks off of the
rest of us. Etc. etc.

More below....

> >But it has happened slowly
> > through the combined use of a highly progressive income tax and
government
> > infrastructure investments.  But that observation begs the real
question.
> > And that is how to maintain a government that would use such methods
to
> > prevent the harm caused by extreme disparity in power and wealth. The
> > removal of government is not the answer.  The control of government by
the
> > common people as well as the rich _IS_.  I would highly recommend a
better
> > understanding of the pur****ted goals of the United States Government
at
> > its inception.  Such goals were not obtainable based on the technology
of
> > that time.  That is no longer the case:http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
>
> The real point of the question is that government can not successfully
> equalize the distribution of wealth by law.

You got too many lawyers and CPAs working the loopholes. And, laws
will never be perfect.

 The pursuit of happiness
> mentioned in the Constitution is not a guarantee of achiement or an
> equality of results, only the op****tunity to try.

Brilliant observation.

 If we as
> individuals fail to take advantage of the op****tunities it is not the
> governments place to see to it that we protected from the
> consequences.

So, it would not bother you if we did not have the FTC, etc., and
Standard Oil, for example, could monopolize gasoline and charge
whatever it felt like?

Ever hear of Columbia/HCA fraudulent govt billing, Archer-Daniels-
Midland and price fixing back in early '90s? Or, how about Enron-
Andersen? You wouldn't mind if we had more of that, right?

> > --
> > "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
> > of society but the people themselves; and
> > if we think them not enlightened enough to
> > exercise their control with a wholesome
> > discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
> > them, but to inform their discretion by
> > education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend