Re: Bertrandon de la Brocquiere and the MACEDONIANS, Bulgarians,

Krater Makedonski wrote:
> 
> "Nashton" <nana@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:fvmoqi$v2t$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Krater Makedonski wrote:
>>> One of the "great" LIES of the sub-Saharans :-) (today's neo 
>>> "Greeks") and the neo "Bulgar(ians)" is their LIE about the non 
>>> existence of the Macedonians prior to 1945, propagating the big, fat 
>>> LIE that Tito and the Comintern invented the Macedonian nation, 
>>> ignoring a multitude of evidence, such as, for example, the do***ents 
>>> related to the Macedonian uprising of 1680, better known as the 
>>> Karposh rebellion, the Macedonian uprising of 1878, known as Kresna 
>>> rebellion, whose MACEDONIAN leader****p drew up the FIRST MACEDONIAN 
>>> CONSTITUTION. For more information on this do***ent, amongst other 
>>> websites, it has been archived at: 
>>>
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_first_Constitution_of_Macedonia_-_Kresna_1878.

>>>
>>
>>
>> Is this some kind of joke? An article with no references whatsoever, 
>> written by who know who with an agenda that's extremely easy to
discern.
>> Is this what p***** as proof in FYROM? Figures....
> 
> Since the article seems to be a too great a shock for you, or you just 
> simply can't read/comprehend, below is the information on the
reference(s):
> 
> A transcription of the Prescripts was kept in the private library of the

> late Bulgarian Patriarch, Kiril. Archive Department. Volume 2341 AE 50; 
> L 30-60, Sofia. The Patriarch, Kiril, himself brought the transcriptions

> to Sofia. The Prescripts have yet to be published in Bulgaria. They 
> contain 211 Articles.

It isn't a shock, not by being a product of the FYROMian propaganda
machine.

> 
> 
> Why would the "Bulgar(ian)s" be willing to publish such do***ents, when 
> they completely demolish their anti Macedonian propaganda. But the 
> "Bulgar(ian)s" are extremely good at "discovering evidence" (creating 
> forgeries -1000's of them, according to one Macedonian "Bulgar(ian)" 
> employed in their archive dept) such as the stone tablet in 1996, the 
> latest being the "Misirkov diary", "discovered" in 2006
> 
>>> The link below will display images from the book The Travels of 
>>> Bertrandon de la Brocquiere during the years of 1432 and 1433. In 
>>> there you will find that the MACEDONIANS are identified separately 
>>> from Greeks, Bulgar(ian)s, Vlachs, Serbs, etc, etc., EXPOSING the LIE 
>>> of bulgar and Greek propagandists that the Macedonian ethnos is an 
>>> invented one, after 1945. Now it's time for these propagandists ask 
>>> themselves who are these Macedonians, separate from the Greeks, 
>>> Bulgar(ian)s, etc, etc... Unfortunately for the sub-Saharans and the 
>>> neo "Bulgar(ian)s", good ol' Bert :-) was not a prophet, thus he 
>>> could not foresee the "Megalo Idea" of the Athenian sub-Saharans  and 
>>> "San Stefano Bulgaria" of the 20th C. Else, he wouldn't have 
>>> mentioned the Macedonians in his book. :-)
>>>
http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/bertrandon-de-la-brocquiere-met-macedonians-in-1432-1433/#more-97

>>>
>>>
>>
>> Peu après j’arrivai à Phéropoly,73 capitale de la Macédoine, et bâtie 
>> par le roi Philippe. Elle est sur la Marisce, dans une grande plaine 
>> et un excellent pays, où l’on trouve toutes sortes de vivres et à bon 
>> compte. Ce fut jadis une ville considérable, et elle l’est encore. 
>> Elle renferme trois montagnes, dont deux sont à une extrémité vers le 
>> midi, et l’autre au centre. Sur celle-ci étoit construit un grand 
>> château en forme de croissant allongé; mais il a été détruit. On me 
>> montra l’emplacement du palais du roi Philippe, qu’on a de même 
>> démoli, et dont les murs subsistent encore.
>>
>> Philippopoli est peuplée en grande partie de Bulgares qui tiennent la
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>> loi Grégoise (qui suivent la religion Grecque).
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> For the non-French speakers, the author is saying that:
>>
>> Philippopoli is inhabited mostly by BULGARS that live by Greek law 
>> (that follows from Greek religion)....Whatever that means.
>>
>> At least he had this right, because this rich bourgeois really didn't 
>> know much about geography..
>>
>>
>>
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/hakluyt/voyages/brocquiere/chapter1.html
>>
>> ...scroll all the way down to reference 73 and it's there.
>>
>> Glad to have been of assistance, Krater. And I sincerely do hope that 
>> this elucidates your true origins, Bulgar.
>>
>> I'm sure that knowing this at this point, you wish you had never 
>> mentioned de la Brocquière.  ;)
> 
> Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, will change the FACT that good ol' Bert:-) 
> has met MACEDONIANS, Bulgar(ian)s, Greeks, etc, etc.... despite your 
> wishful thinking to the contrary.

Good ol' Bert mentions that:

 >> Philippopoli est peuplée en grande partie de Bulgares qui tiennent la
 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >> loi Grégoise (qui suivent la religion Grecque).
 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How can you look at yourself in the mirror knowing that your national 
identity is a lie, propagated by the help of snippets of text taken out 
of context from a traveller's book?
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