Re: Bertrandon de la Brocquiere and the MACEDONIANS, Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians ... of 1432-1433!

"S_N" <baba_ginka@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Krater Makedonski" <jordan.apost@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> One of the "great" LIES of the sub-Saharans :-) (today's neo "Greeks")
and 
> the neo "Bulgar(ians)" is their LIE about the non existence of the 
> Macedonians prior to 1945, propagating the big, fat LIE that Tito and
the 
> Comintern invented the Macedonian nation, ignoring a multitude of 
> evidence, such as, for example, the do***ents related to the Macedonian 
> uprising of 1680, better known as the Karposh rebellion, the Macedonian 
> uprising of 1878, known as Kresna rebellion, whose MACEDONIAN leader****p

> drew up the FIRST MACEDONIAN CONSTITUTION. For more information on this 
> do***ent, amongst other websites, it has been archived at: 
>
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_first_Constitution_of_Macedonia_-_Kresna_1878.
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> The link below will display images from the book The Travels of
Bertrandon 
> de la Brocquiere during the years of 1432 and 1433. In there you will
find 
> that the MACEDONIANS are identified separately from Greeks,
Bulgar(ian)s, 
> Vlachs, Serbs, etc, etc., EXPOSING the LIE of bulgar and Greek 
> propagandists that the Macedonian ethnos is an invented one, after 1945.

> Now it's time for these propagandists ask themselves who are these 
> Macedonians, separate from the Greeks, Bulgar(ian)s, etc, etc... 
> Unfortunately for the sub-Saharans and the neo "Bulgar(ian)s", good ol' 
> Bert :-) was not a prophet, thus he could not foresee the "Megalo Idea"
of 
> the Athenian sub-Saharans  and "San Stefano Bulgaria" of the 20th C.
Else, 
> he wouldn't have mentioned the Macedonians in his book. :-)
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http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/bertrandon-de-la-brocquiere-met-macedonians-in-1432-1433/#more-97
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> Well, this information is hardly a novelty. La Brocquiere follows the 
> medieval geographic tradition, so his “Мacedonia” is situated what
is 
> today knows as “Thrace” and accordingly “Macedonians” are the
people 
> occupying THAT land. Of course, the person who has posted this quote has

> “missed” to post some pages before that where La Brocquiere writes
” And 
> then I arrived to Phillipopolis, the chief city of Macedonia ….” It
as 
> also worth mentioning that Seres, for instance was NOT in Macedonia, 
> according to this traveler. Then he goes on and makes is clear that for 
> him Bulgaria comprised the lands north from the Haemus mt, and included 
> Sofia and Pirot.
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> SN

The SALIENT point of the "story", Stefcho, is, as it can be seen clearly, 
the MACEDONIANS did exist as an ethnos in the 15th C, separate to 
"Bulgar(ian)s", Greeks, etc, etc. No amount of political semantics and 
denials will cange that fact.
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