Re: Bertrandon de la Brocquiere and the MACEDONIANS, Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians ... of 1432-1433!

Nope. There is nothing like that. La Brocquiere simply has caled the land 
between Philippopolis and Adrianopolis
"Macedonia" and the local people - "Macedonians" regardless their ethnos. 
When speaking of ethnic specifics in the chief town of that land he makes
it 
clear that the majority of the population were Bulgarians.
Poor Zhivko, you should be glad that Byzantium did not create a thema 
Mekedonikon in Africa for isntance - then you would have see Macedonians 
from the negroid race. .....


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SN
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"Krater Makedonski" <krater@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "S_N" <baba_ginka@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Krater Makedonski" <jordan.apost@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> One of the "great" LIES of the sub-Saharans :-) (today's neo "Greeks") 
>> and the neo "Bulgar(ians)" is their LIE about the non existence of the 
>> Macedonians prior to 1945, propagating the big, fat LIE that Tito and
the 
>> Comintern invented the Macedonian nation, ignoring a multitude of 
>> evidence, such as, for example, the do***ents related to the Macedonian

>> uprising of 1680, better known as the Karposh rebellion, the Macedonian

>> uprising of 1878, known as Kresna rebellion, whose MACEDONIAN
leader****p 
>> drew up the FIRST MACEDONIAN CONSTITUTION. For more information on this

>> do***ent, amongst other websites, it has been archived at: 
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http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_first_Constitution_of_Macedonia_-_Kresna_1878.
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>> The link below will display images from the book The Travels of 
>> Bertrandon de la Brocquiere during the years of 1432 and 1433. In there

>> you will find that the MACEDONIANS are identified separately from
Greeks, 
>> Bulgar(ian)s, Vlachs, Serbs, etc, etc., EXPOSING the LIE of bulgar and 
>> Greek propagandists that the Macedonian ethnos is an invented one,
after 
>> 1945. Now it's time for these propagandists ask themselves who are
these 
>> Macedonians, separate from the Greeks, Bulgar(ian)s, etc, etc... 
>> Unfortunately for the sub-Saharans and the neo "Bulgar(ian)s", good ol'

>> Bert :-) was not a prophet, thus he could not foresee the "Megalo Idea"

>> of the Athenian sub-Saharans  and "San Stefano Bulgaria" of the 20th C.

>> Else, he wouldn't have mentioned the Macedonians in his book. :-)
>>
http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/bertrandon-de-la-brocquiere-met-macedonians-in-1432-1433/#more-97
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>> Well, this information is hardly a novelty. La Brocquiere follows the 
>> medieval geographic tradition, so his “Мacedonia” is situated what
is 
>> today knows as “Thrace” and accordingly “Macedonians” are the
people 
>> occupying THAT land. Of course, the person who has posted this quote
has 
>> “missed” to post some pages before that where La Brocquiere writes
” And 
>> then I arrived to Phillipopolis, the chief city of Macedonia ….” It
as 
>> also worth mentioning that Seres, for instance was NOT in Macedonia, 
>> according to this traveler. Then he goes on and makes is clear that for

>> him Bulgaria comprised the lands north from the Haemus mt, and included

>> Sofia and Pirot.
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>> SN
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> The SALIENT point of the "story", Stefcho, is, as it can be seen
clearly, 
> the MACEDONIANS did exist as an ethnos in the 15th C, separate to 
> "Bulgar(ian)s", Greeks, etc, etc. No amount of political semantics and 
> denials will cange that fact.
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