Re: Bertrandon de la Brocquiere and the MACEDONIANS, Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians ... of 1432-1433!

"S_N" <baba_ginka@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Nope. There is nothing like that. La Brocquiere simply has caled the
land 
> between Philippopolis and Adrianopolis
> "Macedonia" and the local people - "Macedonians" regardless their
ethnos. 
> When speaking of ethnic specifics in the chief town of that land he
makes 
> it clear that the majority of the population were Bulgarians.
> Poor Zhivko, you should be glad that Byzantium did not create a thema 
> Mekedonikon in Africa for isntance - then you would have see Macedonians

> from the negroid race. .....

Let me, once and for all expose your INVENTIONS/LIES in this mattaer, 
Stefcho. Let us see what is written. Quote:
"They have besides among them a great number of Christians, who serve 
through force, GREEKS, BULGARIANS, MACEDONIANS, ALBANIANS ... and other 
subjects of despots of that country".

I suggest you pass this information to your mentor, the other Macedonian 
bugaroman "historian" Bozhidar Dimitrov, for he was the one boasting in
the 
media of Bulgaria couple of years ago, that he would give $1 million US to

anyone who can show him a do***ent for the existence of Macedonians in the

Middle Ages. It'll be no problem for me to open a swiss account for his 
million US dollars. :-)

As far as ABSURDITIES go, Stefcho, I see no difference between an
ABSURDITY 
of a  Macedonian  "(HYPOTHETICALLY) seeing Macedonians from the negroid 
race" and an ABSURDITY of a Macedonian adopting an ethnic/racial identity
of 
the asiatic turko-mongol race (Bulgars), as is the case with you
bugaromani, 
or an ABSURDITY of a Macedonian adopting an ethnic identity of the 
afro-asiatic (arabic) race (Greeks), as is the case with the grkomani of 
ADR's ilk. The only difference being, it will never happen in my (our - 
Macedonian) case (we are much more informed nowadays), but sadly, it has 
happened in your (bugaroman, grkoman) case.

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> SN
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> "Krater Makedonski" <krater@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "S_N" <baba_ginka@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
>>> "Krater Makedonski" <jordan.apost@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> One of the "great" LIES of the sub-Saharans :-) (today's neo "Greeks")

>>> and the neo "Bulgar(ians)" is their LIE about the non existence of the

>>> Macedonians prior to 1945, propagating the big, fat LIE that Tito and 
>>> the Comintern invented the Macedonian nation, ignoring a multitude of 
>>> evidence, such as, for example, the do***ents related to the
Macedonian 
>>> uprising of 1680, better known as the Karposh rebellion, the
Macedonian 
>>> uprising of 1878, known as Kresna rebellion, whose MACEDONIAN
leader****p 
>>> drew up the FIRST MACEDONIAN CONSTITUTION. For more information on
this 
>>> do***ent, amongst other websites, it has been archived at: 
>>>
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_first_Constitution_of_Macedonia_-_Kresna_1878.
>>>
>>> The link below will display images from the book The Travels of 
>>> Bertrandon de la Brocquiere during the years of 1432 and 1433. In
there 
>>> you will find that the MACEDONIANS are identified separately from 
>>> Greeks, Bulgar(ian)s, Vlachs, Serbs, etc, etc., EXPOSING the LIE of 
>>> bulgar and Greek propagandists that the Macedonian ethnos is an
invented 
>>> one, after 1945. Now it's time for these propagandists ask themselves 
>>> who are these Macedonians, separate from the Greeks, Bulgar(ian)s,
etc, 
>>> etc... Unfortunately for the sub-Saharans and the neo "Bulgar(ian)s", 
>>> good ol' Bert :-) was not a prophet, thus he could not foresee the 
>>> "Megalo Idea" of the Athenian sub-Saharans  and "San Stefano Bulgaria"

>>> of the 20th C. Else, he wouldn't have mentioned the Macedonians in his

>>> book. :-)
>>>
http://makedonika.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/bertrandon-de-la-brocquiere-met-macedonians-in-1432-1433/#more-97
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, this information is hardly a novelty. La Brocquiere follows the 
>>> medieval geographic tradition, so his “Мacedonia” is situated
what is 
>>> today knows as “Thrace” and accordingly “Macedonians” are the
people 
>>> occupying THAT land. Of course, the person who has posted this quote
has 
>>> “missed” to post some pages before that where La Brocquiere writes
” And 
>>> then I arrived to Phillipopolis, the chief city of Macedonia ….”
It as 
>>> also worth mentioning that Seres, for instance was NOT in Macedonia, 
>>> according to this traveler. Then he goes on and makes is clear that
for 
>>> him Bulgaria comprised the lands north from the Haemus mt, and
included 
>>> Sofia and Pirot.
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>>>
>>> SN
>>
>> The SALIENT point of the "story", Stefcho, is, as it can be seen
clearly, 
>> the MACEDONIANS did exist as an ethnos in the 15th C, separate to 
>> "Bulgar(ian)s", Greeks, etc, etc. No amount of political semantics and 
>> denials will cange that fact.
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