Re: Bertrandon de la Brocquiere and the MACEDONIANS, Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians ... of 1432-1433!

"Krater Makedonski" <krater@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:48225cd9$0$13944$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I suggest you pass this information to your mentor, the other Macedonian

> bugaroman "historian" Bozhidar Dimitrov, for he was the one boasting in 
> the media of Bulgaria couple of years ago, that he would give $1 million

> US to anyone who can show him a do***ent for the existence of
Macedonians 
> in the Middle Ages. It'll be no problem for me to open a swiss account
for 
> his million US dollars. :-)
>

Dimitrov is no mentor of mine whatsoever. Still, as I told you that text
is 
hardly a
novelty kept secret in Bulgaria - this text has been published in Bulgaria

and
is part of the curriculum of history teaching in the country.

As for the "Macedonians" mentioned what people these might be:

"Peu après j’arrivai à Phéropoly,73 capitale de la Macédoine, et
bâtie
par le roi Philippe. Elle est sur la Marisce, dans une grande plaine et
un excellent pays, où l’on trouve toutes sortes de vivres et à bon
compte. Ce fut jadis une ville considérable, et elle l’est encore. Elle
renferme trois montagnes, dont deux sont à une extrémité vers le midi,
et l’autre au centre. Sur celle-ci étoit construit un grand château en
forme de croissant allongé; mais il a été détruit. On me montra
l’emplacement du palais du roi Philippe, qu’on a de même démoli, et
dont
les murs subsistent encore.
Philippopoli est peuplée en grande partie de Bulgares qui tiennent la
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
loi Grégoise (qui suivent la religion Grecque)."
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> As far as ABSURDITIES go, Stefcho, I see no difference between an 
> ABSURDITY of a  Macedonian  "(HYPOTHETICALLY) seeing Macedonians from
the 
> negroid race" and an ABSURDITY of a Macedonian adopting an ethnic/racial

> identity of the asiatic turko-mongol race (Bulgars), as is the case with

> you bugaromani, or an ABSURDITY of a Macedonian adopting an ethnic 
> identity of the afro-asiatic (arabic) race (Greeks), as is the case with

> the grkomani of ADR's ilk. The only difference being, it will never
happen 
> in my (our - Macedonian) case (we are much more informed nowadays), but 
> sadly, it has happened in your (bugaroman, grkoman) case.
>

You go on and on with that "turko-mongols" of yours.  I can not see what
is 
your problem with the fact
that the Bulgars have found the state in the 7th c., Their aristocracy and

dynasty ensured that the state
would last and the various populations gradually adopted identity linked
to 
the country they lived in.
So, the achievement of these Asiatic horsemen is that hey managed to
create 
a medieval state
and ethnos of the various populations of the land.
So, by the 10th-11th c. Bulgarian meant no longer a Bulgar who had come
from 
the steppes but a person
born in Bulgaria, confessing the religion of the country in the language
of 
its Church.
This is how normally ethnic identities  in the Middle ages develop. By the

time Basil II conquered the land
a new people was forged so it would last for the next millenium.
It is now precisely in the same manner you people NOW create a new ethnos 
and nation based on the notions
of your state that you call "Macedonia". Now you you can not produce a 
stateman like the "tataro-mongols" Boris-Michael and Simeon that can
impose 
a new identity of all the people, an identity to last.  The differenceis 
that if the Asiatic horsemen would have run
Skopje today they would have made a new nation including all the subjects
of 
the land
(Slavic Speakers, Albanians, etc) and I doubt they would have used Goli
Otok 
to send anyone who is not to adopt that new identity.

With you, it is a different matter, - the intellectual genocide going on
in 
the land for more than 100 years expelling and killing the Bulgarian 
inteligentsia in the land, has left you without capability of creating 
intellectuals who would forge a new nation and include in it all the
people 
of the land. You have stuck to that "Macedonia" looking backwards at 
Cleopatra while forgetting that those who you venerate as heroes have used

the term to attract all the people from the land to the Bulgarian cause.