Re: Bertrandon de la Brocquiere and the MACEDONIANS, Bulgarians,

Krater Makedonski wrote:
> 
> "ADR" <aretzios@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> On May 6, 9:59 pm, "Krater Makedonski" <kra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>> The SALIENT point of the "story", Stefcho, is, as it can be seen
clearly,
>> the MACEDONIANS did exist as an ethnos in the 15th C, separate to
>> "Bulgar(ian)s", Greeks, etc, etc. No amount of political semantics and
>> denials will cange that fact.
> 
> Unfortunately, my friend, the traveloque in question refers as
> "Macedonia" the area covered by today's Greek Thrace and southern
> Bulgaria.  The reason for this is pretty simple.  In the end of the
> 8th century AD, Empress Irene created the "Theme of Macedonia" (Thema
> Makethonikon) which covered the area in question and was headquartered
> in Hadrianople,  The reason for naming the area thus was because the
> Imperial armies from Macedonia, camp followers and refugees had been
> located there to face the threat of Arab and Bulgarian incursions.
> Thus, all medieval references to Macedonia and the Macedonians are
> applicable to this area not to the area of classical Macedonia.  In
> fact, the name of Macedonia for this area persisted well into Ottoman
> times, probably until the middle of the 17th century when the names of
> Ottoman provinces (vilayets) started coming to wide use.
> 
> Listen, I suggest that you read this traveloque.  I also suggest that
> you read countless historians who wrote about the Balkans from the 8th
> to the 15th century (and there are many) and see what designations you
> 'll find about the people inhabiting what is now Macedonia and FYROM.
> I think that snipets like this devoid of content and taken out of
> context will only give you a bad case of indigestion.
> 
> In any case, many historians covered the events in the Balkans from
> the 6th century to the 14th century with a lot of detail.   Don't you
> think that the extensive details of the Slav invasions and the sieges
> of Thessaloniki covered in the "Miracles of St. Demetrius" written by
> a couple of bishops of Thessaloniki in the 6th to 7th century AD
> should be regarded as very accurate do***entation of what happened to
> classical Macedonia.  The events of the 8th and 9th century are
> covered by even better historians such as Theophanes the Chronographer
> and George Syncellus.  Since Irene had a particular policy in the
> Balkans, the actual events there and the peoples settled there are
> very well covered.  I think that it would be instructive for you to
> read about the campaign of general Stavrakios against the Slavs (and
> the actual area covered by this campaign) which occured during the
> reign of Irene.  And it was Irene "the Athenian" who established the
> province of "Macedonia" which we discussed above.
> 
> You have failed to understand the "salient point", Anastasios, even 
> though it was spoon-fed to you. Your "embroidery" is just another, very 
> similar version of Stefcho's political/geographical semantics,  a feeble

> attempt to deny the undeniable and does NOT in any way change the fact 
> (evidence) of the existence of MACEDONIANS in the 15th C, distinct from 
> Greeks, Bulgarians, etc, etc... I reiterate, so that you can get this 
> CLEARLY, once and for all time - NO amount of political/geographical 
> semantics used as counter arguments by you or anyone else can change the

> EVIDENCE for the EXISTENCE of MACEDONIANS distinct from Greeks, 
> Bulgarians, etc, etc...

Since *every* single one of your arguments has been rebuked by either 
Anastasios, S-R and myself, the only "salient point" that springs to 
mind is your desire to try to convince anybody of the impossible.

You need to get over it, but you're arguments are silly, to say the 
least. No wonder you change your nic and create new sockpuppets as often 
as you can.