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Re: Macedonia(ns) - Greek propaganda v. modern day scholars (historians)

by "Krater Makedonski" <krater@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 12, 2008 at 05:55 PM

"S_N" <baba_ginka@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:g01bar$7ns$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Krater Makedonski" <krater@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:4824099d$0$30464$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>
>>
>> Actually, the opposite is true. The Yugoslav communist party held the
>> position on "Macedonia" since the 20's because Tito (himself a Croat)
>> strongly believed that a Yugoslavia (previously the kingdom of Serbs
>> and Croats) could only survive if the weigh of Serbia was reduced.
>>
>> Actually, why don't you stay out of something you know nothing about. I

>> know
>> your grkoman traits won't let you, but please try, for your sake,
because
>> you look very foolish in front of those who know the TRUTH. During WWII
>> during the first congress of the yugoslav communist party
>> Macedonia/Macedonians were not even mentioned, let alone invited. It
was
>> after this event that the Macedonian leader****p reacted vigorously and 
>> told
>> Tito and the leader****p of KPJ in no uncertain terms that unless the
>> Macedonians are included in the scheme of things as an equal partner
with
>> the other nationalities, the Macedonians would fight their own battles,
>> separate to their "Jugoslavija". It was after this and a representation

>> to the Russians, that Tito's hand was forced and Macedonia and the 
>> Macedonians became a reality. But immediately after WWII the Serb 
>> influence in the KPJ came to the fore in respect of the politics in 
>> Macedonia, i.e., they wanted Macedonia to remain their little colony,
and 
>> by eliminating all of the elements in the Macedonian leader****p who 
>> opposed the Serbian hegemony in Macedonia."Chento", the president, 
>> imprisoned - released 7 years later, after becoming gravely ill, 
>> Brashnarov sent to Goli Otok - still a mystery about his end, Pave 
>> Shatev, the minister for justice - under "house arrest" not allowed to 
>> contact anyone, which automatically means no employment for the rest of

>> his life - died a pauper, scavenging the rubbish bins for food. Kole 
>> Kaninski and Dr Trifun Panovski murdered by Tempo himself, Kosta Racin 
>> also murdered and so on and so on. All in all about 60,000 Macedonian 
>> activists/intellectuals suffered at the hands of the Srbocommunists and

>> their Macedonian "servants"/puppets at the head with Lazar Kolishevski.

>> Even in the seventies and eighties Macedonian dissidents paid with
their 
>> lives or with long imprisonments at the hands of the Srbocommunists 
>> (General Karangelevski - murdered, Dragan Bogdanovski, the president of

>> DOOM (Movement for Liberation and Unification of Macedonia) was brought

>> from France on trumped up charges in the late seventies and released 11

>> years later in 1989. The secretary of DOOM Blagoj Shambevski was
murdered 
>> in Munich in 1974, by a Macedonian UDB (yugoslav secret service) agent.

>> The irony to be greater, this same agent is a current Minister of 
>> Emigration.
>>
>> Thus, my grkoman friend, the above is a small part of  the TRUE story
for 
>> your "Tito's Macedonia", much different to the LIES that you have 
>> "learned" and propagate.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> You are either ignorant or just a lier.

I know that it's hard for someone as indoctrinated as you are, is hard for

you you to believe what I have written, but I can assure you those are the

FACTS.

> It was as early as December 1923 that a Macedonian nation has been 
> discussed at the conference of KPJ and the Vienna manifesto of the 
> Commintern
> of 1924 was accepted by the KPJ in 1928 (initially ignored due to the 
> strong Serbian fraction in the party).

This in no way changes the fact that at the first KPJ congress during
WWII, 
the Macedonians were neither invited, nor mentioned.
>
> As for Chento, Zhivko, why don't you tell us what was the reasoning of
the 
> court to sentence him on 11 years in Goli Otok.

Chento was "officially" (re****ted to be) captured on the 1st of August, 
"attempting to illegally cross the greek border on his way to Paris...."
In 
reality he was taken from his home two weeks earlier and taken to Idrizovo

prison where he spent 7 of his 11 year hard-labour imprisonment (released 
early because he became gravely ill). Panko Brashnarov was the one who was

taken to Goli Otok and we still don't know about his final fate. All of 
those Macedonians from the government were imprisoned/killed for their 
insistence for (Republic of) Macedonia to be an equal partner in the 
yugoslav federation. But this was not what the Serbs wanted. They wanted 
Macedonia to remain their colony, thus they had to eliminate this
patriotic 
element in the Macedonian government (and elswhere) and, as history tells 
us, they succeeded, but only tem****arily.

I forgot to mention that Venko Markovski, the great macedonian poet, who 
wrote poems about the "bulgar hordes", was a victim of the Serbian 
controlled element in the macedonian government and was forced to earn his

living in Bulgaria - by "mutating" to a "great Bulgar(ian)" :-(

s>
> As for Pavel Shatev, look at this:

Wow, such shocking news for me. :-)

> http://www.promacedonia.com/ps/ps_18.html
> "Последният, като български
дипломатически представител, пред
своите 
> колеги бе поставен натясно и едва ли не
бе изобличен, че македонските 
> българи действуват не толкова против
турските, отколкото против 
> европейските интереси. А. Шопов по
всички революционни акции вътре в 
> Македония поддържал едно друго
становище, което при наличността на
всичко 
> това, което стана в Солун, мъчно можеше
вече да се поддържа. Оттам може би 
> беше и голямото му озлобление и
всячески искаше да представи, че това
дело 
> не е на народни национални дейци, а дело
на екзалтирани млади хора, 
> наистина македонци българи, но по
убеждение анархисти."
>
> :)
 




 2 Posts in Topic:
Re: Macedonia(ns) - Greek propaganda v. modern day scholars (his
"Krater Makedonski&q  2008-05-12 17:55:13 
Re: Macedonia(ns) - Greek propaganda v. modern day scholars (his
"S_N" <baba_  2008-05-12 13:41:57 

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