John M. wrote:
> On May 11, 6:01 pm, Peter Franks <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> John M. wrote:
>>> On May 10, 11:36 pm, Peter Franks <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> John M. wrote:
>>>>> On May 10, 3:27 pm, Peter Franks <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> John M. wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 9, 11:48 pm, Peter Franks <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Enough Already wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Burma has close to 48 million people in an area slightly
smaller than
>>>>>>>>>> Texas (USA). As the population grows (mindlessly, like
everywhere),
>>>>>>>>>> more trees are lost. Mangroves used to form a coastal buffer
against
>>>>>>>>>> extreme storm surges, but 3/4ths of them have been cleared for
shrimp
>>>>>>>>>> and rice farming since the 1920s. See
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/09/asia/mangrove.php
>>>>>>>>>> This is similar to what happened with hurricane Katrina. Too
many
>>>>>>>>>> barrier wetlands have been filled in for development (a.k.a.
>>>>>>>>>> population growth), making them unable to absorb storm surges
as they
>>>>>>>>>> naturally would. Florida also suffers from this condition.
Record
>>>>>>>>>> storms reveal the idiocy of destroying nature in the name of
"economic
>>>>>>>>>> growth."
>>>>>>>>>> A parallel reason we're seeing larger death tolls is that more
people
>>>>>>>>>> are living in disaster-prone areas. Population growth creates a
>>>>>>>>>> vicious cycle of less buffer protection and more people at the
mercy
>>>>>>>>>> of the elements.
>>>>>>>>>> Until it becomes politically correct to promote birth control
vs.
>>>>>>>>>> "meeting the needs of a growing population," mindless growth
will
>>>>>>>>>> continue until the 11th hour. Actually, the 11th hour has long
been
>>>>>>>>>> upon us, but growthism wipes out all reason.
>>>>>>>>> It is better to have lived and died than to never have lived at
all.
>>>>>>>> That statement was not intended to convey a lack of
responsibility or
>>>>>>>> resource management.
>>>>>>> So what exactly did you intend with this statement?
>>>>>> That arbitrary birth control is a poor choice.
>>>>> I'm not sure I understand your qualifying adjective. Birth control
is
>>>>> a necessary adjunct to death control. Having got the latter working
>>>>> fairly well, it would be a shame to swamp all our efforts by trying
to
>>>>> have more people on the planet than its resources can handle. Not to
>>>>> mention the fact that child mortality is greatest in countries with
>>>>> little or no family planning service available.
>>>>> What would you personally prefer if you had to start over. To live
to
>>>>> one- or two- years old, then die from a combination of malnutrition
>>>>> and preventable childhood medical conditions, or to not be conceived
>>>>> in the first place?
>>>> Far and away, the better choice is to live any amount of time in any
>>>> condition than to never have been conceived in the first place.
>>> So you prefer the "morning after " pill that causes spontaneous
>>> abortion shortly after conception, rather than ***ual abstinence by
>>> the parties concerned, do you?
>> No, not any more than I prefer any other form of infanticide.
>>
>>>> Irrespective of that, we need to better manage and control our
resources
>>>> in a cooperative way.
>>> When the number of people on the planet rises to a point where every
>>> inhabitant has just a square foot each (around 2350 C.E. at current
>>> rates of increase) management and control could just become a little
>>> compromised, couldn't they?
>> Yes, more than likely. So what? I'm not advocating uncontrolled
growth.
>
> According to your idea about any life is better than no life, a
> fertile woman who fails to make any and every possible attempt to
> become pregnant when ovulating is willfully acting against this
> stricture. Setting the age of consent at a point two to four years
> after a normal female begins to menstruate is also a willful act -
> this time by legislators.
These are all of your inferences based on your ideas -- not mine.
If you would like further clarification of my viewpoint, please ask. If
you are going to assume, have a nice day.
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