On May 12, 10:46=EF=BF=BDam, James <James.Russell.Brownw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> So Mogyothwar,
>
> You've issued quite a large reaction to my previous posting (of 2 May
> 2008) under your headline of "They must not be allowed to exist". I'll
> try to issue an appropriate response.
>
> First of all I know, of course, that you are not at all an NLD or
> opposition sympathizer. I was just joking about the ambiguous subject
> of your posting. And you understood that as you explained at the end
> of your posting. You also said that you are not a sup****ted of the
> SPDC, while in another article in this newsgroup (soc.culture.burma)
> you clearly state to belong to the SPDC (your reply to Labor of 6 May
> 2008, subject "SANDO, MOGYOTHWA, BURMARSOLDIER - WHAT THE HELL IS
> THIS , YOU CALL THIS FAIR DO YOU ???"). There you tell us "Do you see
> SPDC campaigning through these forums? Yes a few of us express our
> views, that is our right, have you thought of that? We have the same
> rights as you have.". In there "us", "our" and "we" clearly refer to
> the SPDC members isn't it? Now, what status do you have? What is your
> credibility? I will assume you are an SPDC sup****ted at least. Good to
> know the enemy.
>
> Secondly it is my strong impression that the discussion in the
> newsgroup soc.culture.burma is far below the level that I thought it
> would be. Opponents of the junta often post shorter and longer quotes
> of news agencies abroad, only adding their own subject line, often in
> the form of a question (IN CAPITALS) whether the contents of the
> message present something fair or not. They seem to lack their own
> opinions. Sup****ters of the junta, like you, often reply with
> arguments stating that other countries don't do much good either to
> countries in other parts of the world. That way they/you justify the
> evil events happening in Burma, though without directly responding to
> the questions and quoted articles. A real fruitful discussion is often
> lacking completely. (Well, sometimes I've indeed seen real discussions
> going on, often flaming, which I don't appreciate.)
>
> I don't think I'll join the group in a regular active discussion. It
> would hardly contribute to my goal to reach as many of the Burmese
> citizens with my compassion to their political, social and physical
> situation. Like many other people, organizations and nations I want to
> contribute (even if it is just a little) to the liberation of the
> people from its totalitarian rulers. I have no wish to change you or
> the generals or your and their opinions; I think I can't. All I want
> is to remove their (physical, military) power, with which the generals
> dominate, manipulate, scare and lie to their citizens in a way
> comparable to Big Brother in the book "1984" by George Orwell (1948).
> I want to eliminate their power to rule over the people, whether they
> like it or not. The people should and want to rule over themselves,
> like in a real democracy, Power To The People. I don't want to
> eliminate any person physically, not even the generals themselves; I
> only would prefer them to be brought to court for their crimes and to
> stand a fair trial. But that is secondary; if their power would be
> gone and they would live on as free citizens that would be fine to me
> too as long as the people would be completely free from their
> influence.
>
> From your postings I read that you would like to eliminate (torture
> and kill without any fair trial) the opposition, the NLD, ASSK and
> similar sup****ters personally and physically. You use terms as "they
> should be executed" and "drown them" if you would be ruling Burma.
> Well that is exactly what this all is about: violent repression, not
> allowing opposite opinions, puni****ng, imprisoning (referendum law and
> decree 5/96) and even killing people for it. You clearly and
> unambiguously give yourself away as a violent and evil person.
> Whatever reason(s) you may have to desire killing and oppression, such
> evil is criminal and totally unacceptable from the civilized view of
> respecting each others human lifes. That is why I was attacking you
> verbally and joked with you as I said in the beginning. Just thinking
> and expressing threats like that may not be an offence, but carrying
> out those threats certainly is. You and people like you are a danger
> to the society; you have been warned. That is also why I am fighting
> the government (with words). They obviously disrespect their citizens
> lifes, in particular in the current situation by withholding much of
> the (western) emergency aid after the natural disaster. I do not only
> know this from the news that leaks out of Burma and is distributed
> abroad, but also first hand from people inside Burma. The people do
> NOT want the junta government, they do NOT want the fake constitution
> and referendum; they want a modern democracy without any (not even
> partial) influence of the junta, who are the actual destructionists,
> the killers.
>
> To me the forced wielding of power by people over other people is an
> absolutely objectionable issue. It is not a matter of taste, of
> personal preference, not just another opinion or something disputable
> for which a solution would consist of some compromise. No, such a
> policy is absolutely wrong and must be expelled. I won't repeat all
> further reasons, events, condemnations to sup****t that in detail here
> as I already did in my distributed emails
(seehttp://rapidshare.com/files/=
111245632/JoinRevolutionBurma24apr08.zip_...).
> You don't need to point me to other atrocities in the world. They are
> there indeed, more or less comparable to those inside Burma (and,
> after all, that has been the reason for international intervention to
> liberate the citizens from the feudal regimes). Those atrocities
> elsewhere are no reason to abandon Burma. However large the scale of
> suppression in the world is and has been, it is not normal, not fair
> and not acceptable. Burma is my target. People like you are my target
> and I will continue to fight such people verbally. The repression in
> Burma must stop as soon as possible, today preferably. The generals
> should be deactivated, fired and arrested immediately. Besides they
> have no legal status at all (1990 elections), neither has the advanced
> rigged referendum.
>
> I am convinced my verbal fight for freedom in Burma is absolutely
> justified, no doubt about that. And being in a privileged position to
> be able to do so I will do so for those who are not in such a
> position. As said I need to reach the Burmese people and the
> government, not so much you. I only hope I have explained my
> viewpoints sufficiently clear. I have no wish to prolong this
> discussion with you personally. You are on the wrong side and you
> clearly will remain on the wrong side, I have given you in. I can only
> hope, not force, that once you will grasp or experience that you are
> under the influence of evil.
>
> James Russell Brownwood
>
> James.Russell.Brownw...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 3 mei, 12:35, mogyothwar <ziza...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:> My Dear
Jame=
s,
>
> > Thank you for replying to my artical under the headline of " They must
> > not be allowed to exist."
>
> [...]
So James,
Thanking for your contributions. If you decide to come in in
these discussions is your own right. You cannot say I am wrong I can
not say you are wrong eyher. As far as the rights are concerned.
To answer you, some body has to be on the wrong side. That is
what is all about isn't it? You have no power . you have no sttrength
and you have no means and ways to have all, on the right side, or all
on the wrong side, do you? What you are saying is rubish to me.
Because I can see the same way, and say you are James on the wrong
side.
Myanmar according to you is manipulated by Myanma Military. Woo
do you want to manipulate Myanmar? Americans, British ? Myanmars
has been manipulated by them . if you can remember. That is if you
have any brain to remember which store the memory. .
I rather have my country manipulated by my own people then
foreigners. Myanmar has bitter experiences. Myanmar saw with their
very own eyes that many others are manipulated or being manipulated by
those countries in the west.
That is if you really know the meaning of " Manipulation " .
Don't try and teach your grand father how to suck egg, James. If you
have something to say say it. I am not born yesterday.
There will always be differences whether you like it or not.
Mogyothwar.
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