KR memoir writer says leaders should be executed
Sophal Leng Stagg believes she is among the luckiest of Khmer Rouge
survivors. Despite her father being a former police investigator for
the Lon Nol regime, her parents and her seven brothers and sisters all
survived the Killing Fields. To her this is a miracle since she has
never met another family that "managed to stay intact." The family
immigrated to the US in 1980 and in 1985, Stagg, pregnant with her
first child, began to write her book Hear Me Now, a platform she uses
to lecture in schools throughout the United States. The popularity of
the book led to the funding of the Southeast Asian Children's Mercy
Fund, which she established with her American husband William Stagg.
The foundation provides assistance and training to poor families in
the region and includes an "adopt a family project" that has inspired
many Americans to help. On a visit to Cambodia this month, Stagg spoke
to the Post's Tracey Shelton about her childhood under the KR, her
teaching and her desire for the Khmer Rouge tribunal to get on with
trials and find the defendants guilty. She says: "They should be
executed right away."
What made you decide to write the book?
My children. Once it was published it became a tool to educate other
American kids and to raise money to help the people of Cambodia - I'm
very proud of that.
You are very passionate about the need for Khmer Rouge history to be
incor****ated into Cambodian school curriculum. Why is this so
im****tant to you?
Writing the book and talking in the schools became a form of healing
for me. I want to pass that on to Khmer people. There has been no
education on the genocide in Cambodian schools for 15 years - these
kids don't even believe their grandmothers' stories anymore. I work
very hard in the US to educate American kids so the people that
suffered are not forgotten. It makes me upset that Khmer kids have
forgotten. Education will open up dialogue between the generations.
Teach the children in school and the whole country can get therapy.
What do you remember about the KR period?
I was nine years old on April 17, 1975 when the KR took over. I
remember the soldiers riding on tanks and marching through the
streets, but my mother would not let me watch. A bullhorn announcement
on every street corner announced that we had to leave by nightfall
because the Americans were going to bomb the city. We were told to
bring just enough clothes for three days as once the city was cleared
up we could return to our homes. I remember my mother trying to go to
the market for food supplies but the city was in chaos. By 4pm the
announcements began to show intense force and anger. "You must leave
now or we will consider you the resistance and you will be shot."
There was only one road to leave by. We were wedged in the crowd and
everyone was pu****ng. Soldiers lined the roadsides shooting into the
air telling us to move faster but it was impossible. There was a
frightening sad fear in everyone. I looked back to see the city on
fire. By that time I had the sense that I would never return home.
How did your family manage to survive?
My brother and father were military. As we walked my mother whispered
to us not to tell anyone what they did. She told me to say my father
was a taxi driver and to speak in lower class terms so no one would
know I was educated. She said if I did not adapt, if did not change,
they were going to kill my father. I understood enough to change my
way faster than other people. I don't know how she got that
information but this saved my family.
We walked to Kampong Cham. There were pro-Khmer Rouge signs on every
house. The old people despised us! Even the children. They believed
the new people had exploited them. They blamed us for everything -
their hard lives, their fathers having to fight in the jungle -
literally everything from A-Z. Now they had privileges and power over
the educated. It was so hard to hold my tongue. The KR soldiers had
taken all our valuables so they were wearing our watches but they
didn't know how to read the time. So many times I wanted to scream at
them, "You're a bunch of morons! I'm better than you."
Last week you went to the Khmer Rouge courts. Do you think the trials
will bring some justice and satisfaction to the victims?
I think the trials should be short. I'm all for the trials but the
most im****tant thing is educating the kids. Money and time needs to go
into that. Enough money spent on this already. Everyone knows they are
guilty. They should be executed right away. If they were executed on
national TV, maybe that could provide some satisfaction.
What do you think would happen if one of the defendants was found not
guilty?
A riot. And I would be right there among them. The anger is buried
deep but it is there - the pain people suffered won't go away. I
thought I was dealing with it just fine. Then I saw the courts - the
money they are spending, the way they treat the defendants - if I had
fangs they would have come out. It's ludicrous! Where were
international standards in the way they treated us. We were treated
like animals. A doctor each, three meals a day, Western toilets at
their request - they're treated like royalty. It sends the wrong
message. Normal Cambodians that live outside that gate aren't living
that way.
How much of an impact do you feel the Khmer Rouge reign has had on
Cambodian society today?
Every place I look - in the eyes of every person - the KR have left
behind a trace. In everything I see the damage. What have they done to
their people? Crippled them. Instilled fear and dishonesty. The brave
and the educated are dead, and a lot died along with them. During my
first trip back in 2000, I asked my mother why did people always lie
and cheat like this. I felt like all the good people had died. They
taught us to lie and cheat. We were starving constantly. We were
forced to become thieves, liars. It seems like many Cambodian people
lost themselves back then and they never got their souls back. Like a
dog, when you are pushed into a corner you bite back. The KR instilled
these things in people and now they are trapped. All this goodness has
been lost. Corruption and chaos are the legacy they have left behind.
How do you see the future for Cambodia?
I think the government is trying to do the best they can with what
they have to work with. But how can you cap greed in a human being?
And Reconciliation?
The international community has put their money in the wrong place -
education is equally if not more im****tant than the trials. Kids
should have been educated about what happened to their father. Now
they need to be educated about who killed their grandfather. Is it
going to be, "they killed my great grandfather" before you start
educating these kids! By then it will be too late. It will just be
history for them.
Phnom Penh Post, Issue 17 / 02, January 24 - February 7, 2008
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