Dan Christensen wrote:
> On Jan 11, 3:23 am, PL <P...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
> [snipping ****tions of PL's posting already debunked here, or too lame
> to bother with]
by which hypocrite Dan means he snips what he can't refute.
Same lie, same reply.
>> Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie:
>>
>> Quote me
>
> [snip]
>
> You would like us to forget all about your little indiscretion here
> some years ago -- you actually boasting about your lobbying exploits,
> the schmoozing, the golf games, etc.
(snip)
we all know about your "long running lie" here.
The best proof: ask him to quote me on the "golf" thing for example or
any
other part.
Dan can't produce andy quotes and has been unable to do so for years.
Whenever he gets stuck he starts posting insults like "nazi", "cia
agent",
"lobbyist" ... in the hope to smear the peson as he can't refute the
facts.
There is no "indescretion" comrade Dan Christensen and your constant
inablility to post direct quotes with links shows that you know you
are
lying Mr. Cyber-Liar
and Cyber-Stalker.
> >
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/browse_frm/thread/1ae3dea90e537555/da566b8afe2111a2?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#da566b8afe2111a2
Nothing there comrade Dan. No links and quotes. Just you repeating
your
lies.
Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:
Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.
We both know you can't.
Try something like this:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
........
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=tirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the cir***stances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=txMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
Unquote.
You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
International,
Genocide Watch, ..........
Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.
As I said comrade Dan.
Every time you post that lie about me I post the truth about you.
Rem
ember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
vacation in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that
time prove).
This was your false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=g:thl174670614d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your
lies.
Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
ones below:
YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, sup****t an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.
Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the re****t
quoted below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same
re****t
that:
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its sup****t for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "re****t": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade sanctions in that re****t, are they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
these sentences in the re****t (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED):
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your lying website:
" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on
Cuba
in humanitarian terms, and made clear its sup****t for the immediate
and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"
that sentence:
1. isn't in the re****t
2. isn't sup****ted by the tenure and the conclusions of the re****t
You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and abused them in a sentence to imply sup****t for your cause:
a
BLATANT LIE.
What the re****t actually recommends about the "embargo" is:
"Amnesty International calls on the United States government
- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the embargo.
- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."
Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of its concerns".
See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident Canadian
Stalinist propagandist of SCC.
PL
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