On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:28:16 -0700 (PDT), penang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>Why you guys keep on blaming the CIA ?
>
>CIA's sole business to disrupt other countries. It's their duty to do
>that. Stop blaming them !
>
>If the dalai lama doesn't want to cooperate with CIA, CIA can't do
>anything at all !
>
>If dalai lama has enough dignity to be THE RELIGIOUS CHIEF for all
>Tibetians, and not do ****ing things like what he has been doing, no
>one, not even the CIA, can do anything about it at all !
>
>If you guys want to blame, blame dalai lama for being an asshole !
Da-Lie is the Devil of Lamaism, CIA is the Devil of the United States.
Both are devils and both should be damned to Hell for the sake of
mankind.
>
>
>On Mar 26, 4:27 am, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> As I have said from the very beginning of the Tibet riot, the CIA
>> fingerprints were everywhere in Tibet.
>>
>> The CIA fingerprints were shown during the Tiananmen Square Massacre
>> in the form of the "goddess of democracy".
>>
>> On Mar 25, 12:50 pm, Chen <c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:> Tibet, the 'great
game' and the CIA
>> > By Richard M Bennett
>>
>> > Given the historical context of the unrest in Tibet, there is reason
>> > to believe Beijing was caught on the hop with the recent
>> > demonstrations for the simple reason that their planning took place
>> > outside of Tibet and that the direction of the protesters is
similarly
>> > in the hands of anti-Chinese organizers safely out of reach in Nepal
>> > and northern India.
>>
>> > Similarly, the funding and overall control of the unrest has also
been
>> > linked to Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama, and by inference
to
>> > the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) because of his close
>> > cooperation with US intelligence for over 50 years.
>>
>> > Indeed, with the CIA's deep involvement with the Free Tibet Movement
>> > and its funding of the suspiciously well-informed Radio Free Asia, it
>> > would seem somewhat unlikely that any revolt could
>>
>> > have been planned or occurred without the prior knowledge, and even
>> > perhaps the agreement, of the National Clandestine Service (formerly
>> > known as the Directorate of Operations) at CIA headquarters in
>> > Langley.
>>
>> > Respected columnist and former senior Indian Intelligence officer, B
>> > Raman, commented on March 21 that "on the basis of available
evidence,
>> > it was possible to *****s with a reasonable measure of conviction"
>> > that the initial uprising in Lhasa on March 14 "had been pre-planned
>> > and well orchestrated".
>>
>> > Could there be a factual basis to the suggestion that the main
>> > beneficiaries to the death and destruction sweeping Tibet are in
>> > Wa****ngton? History would suggest that this is a distinct
>> > possibility.
>>
>> > The CIA conducted a large scale covert action campaign against the
>> > communist Chinese in Tibet starting in 1956. This led to a disastrous
>> > bloody uprising in 1959, leaving tens of thousands of Tibetans dead,
>> > while the Dalai Lama and about 100,000 followers were forced to flee
>> > across the treacherous Himalayan p***** to India and Nepal.
>>
>> > The CIA established a secret military training camp for the Dalai
>> > Lama's resistance fighters at Camp Hale near Leadville, Colorado, in
>> > the US. The Tibetan guerrillas were trained and equipped by the CIA
>> > for guerrilla warfare and sabotage operations against the communist
>> > Chinese.
>>
>> > The US-trained guerrillas regularly carried out raids into Tibet, on
>> > occasions led by CIA-contract mercenaries and sup****ted by CIA
planes.
>> > The initial training program ended in December 1961, though the camp
>> > in Colorado appears to have remained open until at least 1966.
>>
>> > The CIA Tibetan Task Force created by Roger E McCarthy, alongside the
>> > Tibetan guerrilla army, continued the operation codenamed "St Circus"
>> > to harass the Chinese occupation forces for another 15 years until
>> > 1974, when officially sanctioned involvement ceased.
>>
>> > McCarthy, who also served as head of the Tibet Task Force at the
>> > height of its activities from 1959 until 1961, later went on to run
>> > similar operations in Vietnam and Laos.
>>
>> > By the mid-1960s, the CIA had switched its strategy from parachuting
>> > guerrilla fighters and intelligence agents into Tibet to establi****ng
>> > the Chusi Gangdruk, a guerrilla army of some 2,000 ethnic Khamba
>> > fighters at bases such as Mustang in Nepal.
>>
>> > This base was only closed down in 1974 by the Nepalese government
>> > after being put under tremendous pressure by Beijing.
>> > After the Indo-China War of 1962, the CIA developed a close
>> > relation****p with the Indian intelligence services in both training
>> > and supplying agents in Tibet.
>>
>> > Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison in their book The CIA's Secret War
>> > in Tibet disclose that the CIA and the Indian intelligence services
>> > cooperated in the training and equipping of Tibetan agents and
special
>> > forces troops and in forming joint aerial and intelligence units such
>> > as the Aviation Research Center and Special Center.
>>
>> > This collaboration continued well into the 1970s and some of the
>> > programs that it sponsored, especially the special forces unit of
>> > Tibetan refugees which would become an im****tant part of the Indian
>> > Special Frontier Force, continue into the present.
>>
>> > Only the deterioration in relations with India which coincided with
>> > improvements in those with Beijing brought most of the joint CIA-
>> > Indian operations to an end.
>>
>> > Though Wa****ngton had been scaling back sup****t for the Tibetan
>> > guerrillas since 1968, it is thought that the end of official US
>> > backing for the resistance only came during meetings between
president
>> > Richard Nixon and the Chinese communist leader****p in Beijing in
>> > February 1972.
>>
>> > Victor Marchetti, a former CIA officer has described the outrage many
>> > field agents felt when Wa****ngton finally pulled the plug, adding
that
>> > a number even "[turned] for solace to the Tibetan prayers which they
>> > had learned during their years with the Dalai Lama".
>>
>> > The former CIA Tibetan Task Force chief from 1958 to 1965, John
>> > Kenneth Knaus, has been quoted as saying, "This was not some CIA
black-
>> > bag operation." He added, "The initiative was coming from ... the
>> > entire US government."
>>
>> > In his book Orphans of the Cold War, Knaus writes of the obligation
>> > Americans feel toward the cause of Tibetan independence from China.
>> > Significantly, he adds that its realization "would validate the more
>> > worthy motives of we who tried to help them achieve this goal over 40
>> > years ago. It would also alleviate the guilt some of us feel over our
>> > participation in these efforts, which cost others their lives, but
>> > which were the prime adventure of our own."
>>
>> > Despite the lack of official sup****t it is still widely rumored that
>> > the CIA were involved, if only by proxy, in another failed revolt in
>> > October 1987, the unrest that followed and the consequent Chinese
>> > repression continuing till May 1993.
>>
>> > The timing for another serious attempt to destabilize Chinese rule in
>> > Tibet would appear to be right for the CIA and Langley will
>> > undoubtedly keep all its options open.
>>
>> > China is faced with significant problems, with the Uighur Muslims in
>> > Xinjiang province; the activities of the Falun Gong among many other
>> > dissident groups and of course growing concern over the security of
>> > the Summer Olympic Games in August.
>>
>> > China is viewed by Wa****ngton as a major threat, both economic and
>> > military, not just in Asia, but in Africa and Latin America as well.
>>
>> > The CIA also views China as being "unhelpful" in the "war on terror",
>> > with little or no cooperation being offered and nothing positive
being
>> > done to stop the flow of arms and men from Muslim areas of western
>> > China to sup****t Islamic extremist movements in Afghanistan and
>> > Central Asian states.
>>
>> > To many in Wa****ngton, this may seem the ideal op****tunity to knock
>> > the Beijing government off balance as Tibet is still seen as China's
>> > potential weak spot.
>>
>> > The CIA will undoubtedly ensure that its fingerprints are not
>> > discovered all over this growing revolt. Cut-outs and proxies will be
>> > used among the Tibetan exiles in Nepal and India's northern border
>> > areas.
>>
>> > Indeed, the CIA can expect a significant level of sup****t from a
>> > number of security organizations in both India and Nepal and will
have
>> > no trouble in providing the resistance movement with advice, money
and
>> > above all, publicity.
>>
>> > However, not until the unrest shows any genuine signs of becoming an
>> > open revolt by the great mass of ethnic Tibetans against the Han
>> > Chinese and Hui Muslims will any weapons be allowed to appear.
>>
>> > Large quantities of former Eastern bloc small arms and explosives
have
>> > been re****tedly smuggled into Tibet over the past 30 years, but these
>> > are likely to remain safely hidden until the right op****tunity
>> > presents itself.
>>
>> > The weapons have been acquired on the world markets or from stocks
>> > captured by US or Israeli forces. They have been sanitized and are
>> > deniable, untraceable back to the CIA.
>>
>> > Weapons of this nature also have the advantage of being
>> > interchangeable with those used by the Chinese armed forces and of
>> > course use the same ammunition, easing the problem of resupply during
>> > any future conflict.
>>
>> > Though official sup****t for the Tibetan resistance ended 30 years
ago,
>> > the CIA has kept open its lines of communications and still funds
much
>> > of the Tibetan Freedom movement.
>>
>> > So is the CIA once again playing the "great game" in Tibet?
>>
>> > It certainly has the capability, with a significant intelligence and
>> > paramilitary presence in the region. Major bases exist in
Afghanistan,
>> > Iraq, Pakistan and several Central Asian states.
>>
>> > It cannot be doubted that it has an interest in undermining China, as
>> > well as the more obvious target of Iran.
>>
>> > So the probable answer is yes, and indeed it would be rather
>> > surprising if the CIA was not taking more than just a passing
interest
>> > in Tibet. That is after all what it is paid to do.
>>
>> > Since September 11, 2001, there has been a sea-change in US
>> > Intelligence attitudes, requirements and capabilities. Old
operational
>> > plans have been dusted off and updated. Previous assets re-activated.
>> > Tibet and the perceived weakness of China's position there will
>> > probably have been fully re*****sed.
>>
>> > For Wa****ngton and the CIA, this may seem a heaven-sent op****tunity
to
>> > create a significant lever against Beijing, with little risk to
>> > American interests; simply a win-win situation.
>>
>> > The Chinese government would be on the receiving end of worldwide
>> > condemnation for its continuing repression and violation of human
>> > rights and it will be young Tibetans dying on the streets of Lhasa
>> > rather than yet more uniformed American kids.
>>
>> > The consequences of any open revolt against Beijing, however, are
that
>> > once again the fear of arrest, torture and even execution will
pervade
>> > every corner of both Tibet and those neighboring provinces where
large
>> > Tibetan populations exist, such as Gansu, Qinghai and Sichuan.
>>
>> > And the Tibetan Freedom movement still has little likelihood of
>> > achieving any significant improvement in central Chinese policy in
the
>> > long run and no chance whatever of removing its control of Lhasa and
>> > their homeland.
>>
>> > Once again it would appear that the Tibetan people will find
>> > themselves trapped between an oppressive Beijing and a manipulative
>> > Wa****ngton.
>>
>> > Beijing sends in the heavies
>> > The fear that the United States, Britain and other Western states may
>> > try to ****tray Tibet as another Kosovo may be part of the reason why
>> > the Chinese authorities reacted as if faced with a genuine mass
revolt
>> > rather than their official ****trayal of a short-lived outbreak of
>> > unrest by malcontents sup****ting the Dalai Lama.
>>
>> > Indeed, so seriously did Beijing view the situation that a special
>> > security coordination unit, the 110 Command Center, has been
>> > established in Lhasa with the primary objective of suppressing the
>> > disturbances and restoring full central government control.
>>
>> > The center appears to be under the direct control of Zhang Qingli,
>> > first secretary of the Tibet Party and a President Hu Jintao
loyalist.
>> > Zhang is also the former Xinjiang deputy party secretary with
>> > considerable experience in counter-terrorism operations in that
>> > region.
>>
>> > Others holding im****tant positions in Lhasa are Zhang Xinfeng, vice
>> > minister of the Central Public Security Ministry and Zhen Yi, deputy
>> > commander of the People's Armed Police Headquarters in Beijing.
>>
>> > The seriousness with which Beijing is treating the present unrest is
>> > further illustrated by the deployment of a large number of im****tant
>> > army units from the Chengdu Military Region, including brigades from
>> > the 149th Mechanized Infantry Division, which acts as the region's
>> > rapid reaction force.
>>
>> > According to a United Press International re****t, elite ground force
>> > units of the People's Liberation Army were involved in Lhasa, and the
>> > new T-90 armored personnel carrier and T-92 wheeled armored vehicles
>> > were deployed. According to the re****t, China has denied the
>> > participation of the army in the crackdown, saying it was carried out
>> > by units of the armed police. "Such equipment as mentioned above has
>> > never been deployed by China's armed police, however."
>>
>> > Air sup****t is provided by the 2nd Army Aviation Regiment, based at
>> > Fenghuangshan, Chengdu, in Sichuan province. It operates a mix of
>> > helicopters and STOL trans****ts from a frontline base near Lhasa.
>> > Combat air sup****t could be quickly made available from fighter
ground
>> > attack squadrons based within the Chengdu region.
>> > The Xizang Military District forms the Tibet garrison, which has two
>> > mountain infantry units; the 52nd Brigade based at Linzhi and the
53rd
>> > Brigade at Yaoxian Shannxi. These are sup****ted by the 8th Motorized
>> > Infantry Division and an artillery brigade at Shawan, Xinjiang.
>>
>> > Tibet is also no longer quite as remote or difficult to resupply for
>> > the Chinese army. The construction of the first railway between 2001
>> > and 2007 has significantly eased the problems of the movement of
large
>> > numbers of troops and equipment from Qinghai onto the rugged Tibetan
>> > plateau.
>>
>> > Other precautions against a resumption of the long-term Tibetan
>> > revolts of previous years has led to a considerable degree of self-
>> > sufficiency in logistics and vehicle repair by the Tibetan garrison
>> > and an increasing number of small airfields have been built to allow
>> > rapid-reaction units to gain access to even the most remote areas.
>>
>> > The Chinese Security Ministry and intelligence services had been
>> > thought to have a suffocating presence in the province and indeed the
>> > ability to detect any serious protest movement and suppress
>> > resistance.
>>
>> > Richard M Bennett, intelligence and security consultant, AFI
>> > Research.
|
