On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:58:28 -0700, Bryson wrote:
> "Jim Walsh" <jSPAMimNwalshO3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
> 1206972121_1253@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Very interesting. Some Chinese in Taiwan refer....
I made a separate thread to deal with this misunderstanding.
>
>>> Westerners should not interfere with the internal politics of the
>>> Chinese.
>>
>> Posting arguments in favor of freedom does not constitute interference.
>>
>>
> But continuous mud throwing like what you are doing does constitute
> instigating unrest and provoking hostility.
Nonsense. Normal freedom of self-expression.
>>> We should allow them to decide their own destiny,
>>
>> I wish they could. It is the CCP that prevents that.
>>
>>
> Like I said, the CCP is Chinese, and therefore represents China, until
> further notice.
Well, no. That is simply silly. Only freely elected governments have the
authority to represent their country.
The CCP government is de facto, kept in place by the gun. It is not a de
jure government.
>>> .... If the Chinese feel that they want Communism, that is their
>>> right.
>>
>> Agree. But I have seen no evidence that they feel that. Indeed, if
>> "communism" means the ideas of Mao, it is abundantly clear that the
>> Chinese do not want that.
> Neither have I seen any evidence nation-wide to the contrary.
Duh, it is illegal to express such opinions. People are persecuted for
doing so. Hence it is very hard to see.
> There will
> always be dissatisfied groups of people who will protest against
> something or other, but they do not represent the whole nation.
> Corruption is a big problem in China. It has always been since the
> beginning of Chinese history, and seeing groups of people demonstrating
> against corrupt officials does not prove that the people as a whole want
> their government to be overthrown.
See above.
>>> Just because we don't agree with the principals of
>>> Communism does not mean that we should force them to take up our form
>>> of democracy.
>>
>> I have never proposed (and would oppose) any such use of force.
>>
>>
> What do you propose then?
I am doing what I propose. Express my views.
> You have to accept the fact that there will be
> no free election in China like the way we know free election in the
> West,....
It was said that the Berlin Wall would never fall. That Communism would
be in Eastern Europe forever.
>>> Democracy works only for some countries, but not every every country,
>>> and we have to accept that.
>>
>> Nonsense. Democracy is simple justice.
>>
>>
> Nonsense, democracy is a system suited only for certain countries with
> people brought up throughout the centuries to think in a certain way. It
> does not work in countries where people are only interested in their
> personal survival.
Your claim that the Chinese are animals who have no human feelings or
desires is disgusting. I doubt that you even think that.
>> How about "All humans are entitled to basic human rights"? A flame?
>>
>>
> The statement in itself is not, but your continuous hammering in aid of
> your goal to destroy the Chinese government is.
Of course I hope that the CCP government will be replaced by a free one.
I am astonished that you don't hope that.
--
Love, Jim
(P.S. I routinely delete excessive newsgroups when I follow-up.)
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