Re: ....Beijing Olympics.....Big-Money and Big-Brother....together at last!

"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

:On Apr 1, 8:46 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:> :
:> :... and the USA has
:> :more incarcerated people (by gross number AND per capita) than
:> :any other nation on Earth...
:> :
:>
:> Not true.  Even using 'official numbers China has a higher
:> incarceration number.  China has almost half as many people in
:> 'administrative detention' as we have in our entire prison system.  If
:> you count those people as 'incarcerated' (which they are), China also
:> has a higher incarceration rate than the United States.
:
:Show you numbers and sources please.
:

I think it's interesting that you didn't bother to make this same
request when the posting had a pro-China anti-US slant.

Using the same source for both sets of numbers (so that the same
things are being measured), that being the International Centre For
Prison Studies at King's College London law school at the University
of London:


UNITED STATES

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/wpb_country.php?country=190

Prison population total (including pre-trial detainees / remand
prisoners) 2,258,983 at 31.12.2006 (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
- a further 92,854 were held in juvenile facilities at 29.3.2006, a
further 1,745 in 'jails in the Indian country' at 30.6.2004, 14,482 in
immigration facilities at 31.12.2006 and 1,944 in military facilities
at 31.12.2006)

Prison population rate (per 100,000 of national population) 751 based
on an estimated national population of 300.8 million at end of 2006
(from U.S. Census Bureau statistics)


CHINA

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/wpb_country.php?country=91

Prison population total (including pre-trial detainees / remand
prisoners) 1,565,771 at 31.12.2005 (national prison administration -
sentenced prisoners in Ministry of Justice prisons only, excluding
pre-trial detainees and those held in administrative detention.) There
are two types of administrative detention: according to Chinese
government statistics there were more than 500,000 serving
administrative detention in re-education-through-labour camps in 2005,
and it is re****ted (U.S. State Department Human Rights Re****t 2005)
that in 2004 there were 350,000 in a second type of administrative
detention, which is for drug offenders and prostitutes. The number of
pre-trial detainees is not known but has been estimated at about
100,000. If this is correct the total prison population in China is
about 2,500,000.

Prison population rate (per 100,000 of national population) 119 based
on an estimated national population of 1,319.7 million at end of 2005
(from United Nations figures) - sentenced prisoners in Ministry of
Justice prisons only. (A total prison population of 2,500,000 would
raise the prison population rate to 189 per 100,000 of the national
population.)


To summarize, when you compare apples to apples, you get:

			   US		  CHINA
Total Prisoners		2,258,983	2,500,000
Incarceration Rate	  751		   189

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