On Apr 1, 9:40=A0am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> :On Apr 1, 8:46=A0am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> :> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> :> :
> :> :... and the USA has
> :> :more incarcerated people (by gross number AND per capita) than
> :> :any other nation on Earth...
> :> :
> :>
> :> Not true. =A0Even using 'official numbers China has a higher
> :> incarceration number. =A0China has almost half as many people in
> :> 'administrative detention' as we have in our entire prison system.
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> :> you count those people as 'incarcerated' (which they are), China also
> :> has a higher incarceration rate than the United States.
> :
> :Show you numbers and sources please.
> :
>
> I think it's interesting that you didn't bother to make this same
> request when the posting had a pro-China anti-US slant.
I asked because your number is not I had readed from Chiense re****ts.
Obviously I misunderstood your "official number." "U.S. State
Department Human Rights Re****t ... estimated... " is really not
official numbers but unsubstantiated and unsubstantiable speculattion.
No?
>
> Using the same source for both sets of numbers (so that the same
> things are being measured), that being the International Centre For
> Prison Studies at King's College London law school at the University
> of London:
>
> UNITED STATES
>
> http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/wpb_country....
>
> Prison population total (including pre-trial detainees / remand
> prisoners) 2,258,983 at 31.12.2006 (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
> - a further 92,854 were held in juvenile facilities at 29.3.2006, a
> further 1,745 in 'jails in the Indian country' at 30.6.2004, 14,482 in
> immigration facilities at 31.12.2006 and 1,944 in military facilities
> at 31.12.2006)
>
> Prison population rate (per 100,000 of national population) 751 based
> on an estimated national population of 300.8 million at end of 2006
> (from U.S. Census Bureau statistics)
>
> CHINA
>
> http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/wpb_country....
>
> Prison population total (including pre-trial detainees / remand
> prisoners) 1,565,771 at 31.12.2005 (national prison administration -
> sentenced prisoners in Ministry of Justice prisons only, excluding
> pre-trial detainees and those held in administrative detention.) There
> are two types of administrative detention: according to Chinese
> government statistics there were more than 500,000 serving
> administrative detention in re-education-through-labour camps in 2005,
> and it is re****ted (U.S. State Department Human Rights Re****t 2005)
> that in 2004 there were 350,000 in a second type of administrative
> detention, which is for drug offenders and prostitutes. The number of
> pre-trial detainees is not known but has been estimated at about
> 100,000. If this is correct the total prison population in China is
> about 2,500,000.
>
> Prison population rate (per 100,000 of national population) 119 based
> on an estimated national population of 1,319.7 million at end of 2005
> (from United Nations figures) - sentenced prisoners in Ministry of
> Justice prisons only. (A total prison population of 2,500,000 would
> raise the prison population rate to 189 per 100,000 of the national
> population.)
>
> To summarize, when you compare apples to apples, you get:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0US =A0 =A0 =A0
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=A0 =A0 CHINA
> Total Prisoners =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2,258,983 =A0 =A0 =A0 2,500,000
> Incarceration Rate =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0751 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0189
>
> --
> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
> =A0territory."
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=A0 --G. Behn
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