"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:On Apr 1, 9:40 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:> "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:>
:> :On Apr 1, 8:46 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:> :> "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
:> :> :
:> :> :... and the USA has
:> :> :more incarcerated people (by gross number AND per capita) than
:> :> :any other nation on Earth...
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Not true. Even using 'official numbers China has a higher
:> :> incarceration number. China has almost half as many people in
:> :> 'administrative detention' as we have in our entire prison system.
If
:> :> you count those people as 'incarcerated' (which they are), China
also
:> :> has a higher incarceration rate than the United States.
:> :
:> :Show you numbers and sources please.
:> :
:>
:> I think it's interesting that you didn't bother to make this same
:> request when the posting had a pro-China anti-US slant.
:
:I asked because your number is not I had readed from Chiense re****ts.
:Obviously I misunderstood your "official number." "U.S. State
:Department Human Rights Re****t ... estimated... " is really not
:official numbers but unsubstantiated and unsubstantiable speculattion.
:No?
:
Probably a MINIMUM number. The actual number is almost assuredly
larger.
So now your 'defense' is that China simply refuses to release one of
the germane numbers?
:>
:> Using the same source for both sets of numbers (so that the same
:> things are being measured), that being the International Centre For
:> Prison Studies at King's College London law school at the University
:> of London:
:>
:> UNITED STATES
:>
:>
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/wpb_country....
:>
:> Prison population total (including pre-trial detainees / remand
:> prisoners) 2,258,983 at 31.12.2006 (U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
:> - a further 92,854 were held in juvenile facilities at 29.3.2006, a
:> further 1,745 in 'jails in the Indian country' at 30.6.2004, 14,482 in
:> immigration facilities at 31.12.2006 and 1,944 in military facilities
:> at 31.12.2006)
:>
:> Prison population rate (per 100,000 of national population) 751 based
:> on an estimated national population of 300.8 million at end of 2006
:> (from U.S. Census Bureau statistics)
:>
:> CHINA
:>
:>
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/wpb_country....
:>
:> Prison population total (including pre-trial detainees / remand
:> prisoners) 1,565,771 at 31.12.2005 (national prison administration -
:> sentenced prisoners in Ministry of Justice prisons only, excluding
:> pre-trial detainees and those held in administrative detention.) There
:> are two types of administrative detention: according to Chinese
:> government statistics there were more than 500,000 serving
:> administrative detention in re-education-through-labour camps in 2005,
:> and it is re****ted (U.S. State Department Human Rights Re****t 2005)
:> that in 2004 there were 350,000 in a second type of administrative
:> detention, which is for drug offenders and prostitutes. The number of
:> pre-trial detainees is not known but has been estimated at about
:> 100,000. If this is correct the total prison population in China is
:> about 2,500,000.
:>
:> Prison population rate (per 100,000 of national population) 119 based
:> on an estimated national population of 1,319.7 million at end of 2005
:> (from United Nations figures) - sentenced prisoners in Ministry of
:> Justice prisons only. (A total prison population of 2,500,000 would
:> raise the prison population rate to 189 per 100,000 of the national
:> population.)
:>
:> To summarize, when you compare apples to apples, you get:
:>
:> US CHINA
:> Total Prisoners 2,258,983 2,500,000
:> Incarceration Rate 751 189
:>
:> --
:> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
:> territory."
:> --G. Behn
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