Democracy led to dictator****p Re: ....Beijing Olympics.....Big-Money

On Apr 1, 7:39=A0pm, "jonathan" <maats...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "Fred J. McCall" <fmcc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> However, the original
> >> claim that the US is higher in 'absolute numbers' stands exposed as
> >> malarkey.
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> > Nonsense. =A0 I don't play your kind of game - even though mentioning
> > this was essentially minutia and trivial to your accusation that
holding=

> > the Olympics in China was "sup****tive of a dictator****p". =A0Believe
me,=

> > the USA will fall behind China in any number of categories *very*
soon.
> > China already owns roughly 30% of the US national debt, which is
likely
> > collateralized by national parks, wildlife refuges and areas not
staked
> > by individuals.
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> So what? Pre war Germany and Japan also had skyrocketing
> economies. And what happened to them, and why?
> It's because of the fact they were dictator****ps, which are not
> only steeped in ruinous corruption, but can't adapt to change
> fast enough. Generally reacting to change/dissent in just the wrong way
> by becoming even more repressive. Setting off the inevitable
> viscous cycle to ever greater internal conflict and disaster.


History is clear. It was the democracies of misguided populaces which
had pushed pre-WWII German and Japan toward war.

"The ruling elite of Wilhelmine Germany, facing universal suffrage but
limited governmental accountability, was pushed toward World War I by
its escalating competition with middle- class mass groups for the
mantle of German nationalism. Japan's Taisho "democracy" of the 1920s
ushered in an era of mass politics that led the Japanese army to
articulate an imperial ideology with broad-based appeal. In each case,
the combination of incipient democratization and the material
resources of a great power produced nationalism, truculence abroad,
and a major
war."

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu=AD/publications/digest/994/mansf=ADield.html



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> In this case, the Chinese bubble is about to burst. And it'll be
> a beauty when it happens. The rate of growth is just too high, as
> is the level of corruption and economic disparity. China will
> likely go the route of the former Soviet Union.
>
> The post-Olympic disillusionment is bound to be intense.
>
> > Best help to fix the US and your own nation before
> > *****ing about another...
>
> Bull. Their illegal and immoral form of govt creates a far
> greater likelihood of a future with a new era of wasteful
> cold war-like military competition. Full of proxy battles
> and other cold war injustices. If not a full blown war
> over Taiwan or over resources. =A0If someone's illegal actions
> harm me I have a right to complain and insist the
> illegal actions stop.
>
> Democracies have every right to intervene with a dictator****p
> for example ...Iraq.
>
> Not everywhere at once, let's be practical about it
> ...the worst...first.
>
> Once China falls to democracy, so will most others in time.
>
> >especially when more manufacturing and
> > more general commerce, along with a skyrocketing standard of living,
> > is taking place in the country you choose to ***** about. If they were
t=
o
> > come collecting the money that America owes them, or simply sell off
> > their holdings in American currency due to the falling dollar value,
the=
y
> > could *crush* America without raising a single rifle. Get a grip on
your=

> > misguided concepts about "dictator****ps".
>
> Without the overlapping checks and balances of a democratic govt
> and a well regulated economic system, China will never catch up
> with the west. It'll only get teasingly close for a bit, then collapse
> ala the Soviet Union. Or burst into flames ala Germany and Japan.
>
> Face it, to catch is, China has to become just like us.
> Until they become democratic, their economic system
> will face ever growing corruption and disparity
> that has only one future.
>
> China is becoming the largest 'house of cards' the world
> has ever seen. Think 1929 ...times a hundred.
>
>
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0"Using state-by-state data, the re****t says 2,319,258
America=
ns
> > =A0 =A0 =A0were in jail or prison at the start of 2008 - one out of
ever=
y 99.1
> > =A0 =A0 =A0adults. Whether per capita or in raw numbers, it's more
than
> > =A0 =A0 =A0any other nation."
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> Why is this a bad thing???
>
> The American people have spoken over and over again.
> We want those people in jail.
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=A0 =A0-- =A0Record Number of Americans in
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0By DAVID CRARY, AP
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> > =A0 =A0 =A0 "America is a quarter of a billion people totally
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> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our
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> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the government doesn't want us to know."
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