On Apr 1, 2:05=A0am, Jim Walsh <jSPAMimNwals...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:58:28 -0700, Bryson wrote:
> > "Jim Walsh" <jSPAMimNwals...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:
> > 1206972121_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Very interesting. Some Chinese in Taiwan refer....
>
> I made a separate thread to deal with thismisunderstanding.
>
>
>
> >>> Westerners should not interfere with the internal politics of the
> >>> Chinese.
>
> >> Posting arguments in favor of freedom does not constitute
interference.=
>
> > But continuous mud throwing like what you are doing does constitute
> > instigating unrest and provoking hostility.
>
> Nonsense. Normal freedom of self-expression.
>
> >>> We should allow them to decide their own destiny,
>
> >> I wish they could. It is the CCP that prevents that.
>
> > Like I said, the CCP is Chinese, and therefore represents China, until
> > further notice.
>
> Well, no. That is simply silly. Only freely elected governments have the
> authority to represent their country.
>
> The CCP government is de facto, kept in place by the gun. It is not a de
> jure government.
>
> >>> .... If the Chinese feel that they want Communism, that is their
> >>> right.
>
> >> Agree. But I have seen no evidence that they feel that. Indeed, if
> >> "communism" means the ideas of Mao, it is abundantly clear that the
> >> Chinese do not want that.
> > Neither have I seen any evidence nation-wide to the contrary.
>
> Duh, it is illegal to express such opinions. People are persecuted for
> doing so. Hence it is very hard to see.
>
> > There will
> > always be dissatisfied groups of people who will protest against
> > something or other, but they do not represent the whole nation.
> > Corruption is a big problem in China. It has always been since the
> > beginning of Chinese history, and seeing groups of people
demonstrating
> > against corrupt officials does not prove that the people as a whole
want=
> > their government to be overthrown.
>
> See above.
>
> >>> Just because we don't agree with the principals of
> >>> Communism does not mean that we should force them to take up our
form
> >>> of democracy.
>
> >> I have never proposed (and would oppose) any such use of force.
>
> > What do you propose then?
>
> I am doing what I propose. Express my views.
>
> > You have to accept the fact that there will be
> > no free election in China like the way we know free election in the
> > West,....
>
> It was said that the Berlin Wall would never fall. That Communism would
> be in Eastern Europe forever.
>
> >>> Democracy works only for some countries, but not every every
country,
> >>> and we have to accept that.
>
> >> Nonsense. Democracy is simple justice.
>
> > Nonsense, democracy is a system suited only for certain countries with
> > people brought up throughout the centuries to think in a certain way.
It=
> > does not work in countries where people are only interested in their
> > personal survival.
>
> Your claim that the Chinese are animals who have no human feelings or
> desires is disgusting. I doubt that you even think that.
>
Those are words you yourself have fabricated. Show me where exactly I
wrote that "the Chinese are animals who have no human feelings or
desires" which you accused me of having done.
> >> How about "All humans are entitled to basic human rights"? A flame?
>
> > The statement in itself is not, but your continuous hammering in aid
of
> > your goal to destroy the Chinese government is.
>
> Of course I hope that the CCP government will be replaced by a free one.
> I am astonished that you don't hope that.
>
> --
> Love, Jim
>
> (P.S. I routinely delete excessive newsgroups when I follow-up.)
>
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