On 7 Apr, 18:19, rst0wxyz <rst0w...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Have you seen the movie called: =A0"The Bridge at River Kwai"?
My grandfather was one of the few who survived actually being there.
> Commander Shears (played by William Holden) said: =A0"You British talked
> about how to die well. =A0You should talk about how to live well".
You may take it that both he and his family took that line to heart.
> We are all pawns in a game of chess.
No-one lives well if they are trapped within an insane game. When you
really look at the game, you only see the player. Yourself.
> On 2 Apr, 12:27, The Speaking Clock <harlequin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On 2 Apr, 18:38, mika <mika...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 2, 2:48 am, The Speaking Clock =A0wrote:
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> > > > On 31 Mar, 17:52, mikawrote:
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> > > > > That's because most people project their own values and beliefs
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> > > > > acceptable risk onto other people, and *then* attempt to
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> > > > > others' motivations and decision-making rationale.
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> > > > I agree that people do that these days, but the values and beliefs
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> > > > currency in 1936 were different. =A0I don't think people then
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> > > > guessed the risk strategies of the men but rather questioned thier
> > > > motivations for attempting the Eiger face
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> > > Questioning their motivations *is* second-guessing their risk
> > > strategies. =A0If you accept that their risk strategy was their own
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> > > determine, that the very fact that they took on the challenge means
> > > that the risk was acceptable to them, then there is no need to
> > > question why they did it. =A0They did it because they wanted to.
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> > What I mean by that, is that engaging in heroic activities for the
> > benefit of your country had become a bit of an institution. =A0It was
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> > way for young men to prove themselves in a society that had been
> > psyching itself up for war with Hitler. =A0School children were being
> > taught how to shoot guns and operate in a military fa****on by older
> > men who had experienced WW1. =A0It was against this backdrop that the
> > tragedy occured. =A0Perhaps it was an event that allowed people to
> > express how they really felt about going to war again that was held
> > hidden behind the British stiff upper lip.
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> > > > and felt communal responsibility for thier deaths.
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> > > Well that's just stupid.
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> > In the article the author directly equates these climbers with
> > soldiers amongst other things. =A0It isn't stupid for people on a war
> > footing to care about friends, family, husbands and sons going to war,
> > and it isn't stupid for members of the ruling class to share
> > responsibility for thier deaths, or to question whether - in the
> > eagerness to get Britain ready for war, they had been all to ready to
> > glorify it to those that would have to fight it.
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> > When society questioned the motivation of the climbers who died in
> > 1939, it knew that it had indoctrinated these young men with certain
> > values, just as it was teaching it's soldiers. =A0Intense patriotism,
> > the motivation of queen and country.
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> > > > These days, even if your friends had been breaking records or
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> > > > the first snowboard attempt ever for thier country, I doubt the
> > > > coverage would have been much different. =A0And yet - whether the
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> > > > who climbed the Eiger did it for Queen or Country, a wish to
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> > > > thier positions, or like your friends: for the sheer personal joy
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> > > > exhiliration of it, I do find a sort of heroism in these pursuits,
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> > > > a time where hero's are hard to recognise.
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> > > I would avoid looking at it as heroic. =A0These are just people who
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> > > doing what they want to do with their lives, who have different
> > > attitudes about certain risks. Sure, it would have been safer to not
> > > venture out at all, but don't kid yourself - the risk of dying in an
> > > avalanche is way lower than dying in a car crash, yet do you
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> > > people who drive to work every morning to be heroes?
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> > No, and I wouldn't class your friends as heros just because they were
> > snowboarders. =A0Perhaps it's just the risk taking I'm thinking of as
> > sort of heroic. =A0It's very nearly the defining characteristic of a
> > hero. =A0I've been on very short rations of sleep for the last week,
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