Re: Aligning with the world mindset...

In article <v57004lgrshlpuk8bq5ifb5vsk5h5t8ui6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
says...
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:13:56 -0700, tankfixer
> <paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <35uuv3l0uu0eni2v35nihid4vmrmuevjfa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> >says...
> >> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:20:48 -0700, tankfixer
> >> <paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >In article <1e0uv3hip2i05qi1sd2rub1adc8qkgq0f6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> >> >says...
> >> >> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:57:53 -0700, tankfixer
> >> >> <paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >In article <adltv3lviq6u8ooeubcgfo3fse6lnfj5li@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> >> >> >says...
> >> >> >> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:01:33 -0700, tankfixer
> >> >> >> <paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >In article <6aa067c4-5c0b-4bb1-ad62-293f69dce514
> >> >> >> >@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
> >> >> >> >> On Apr 8, 10:19?pm, "Peter Webb"
> >> >> >> >> <webbfam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > <fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
news:b054eeb8-4bcc-46c3-81a0-183346ffa3f8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > In a world as imperfect as it is, good deeds can be
perceived bad
> >> >> >> >> > > while bad deeds good.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > In my opinion, it is about time for the leader****p in
Beijing to adopt
> >> >> >> >> > > a different mindset. For example, instead of condemning
the protest
> >> >> >> >> > > and defending China's policy in Tibet, the foreign
affair spokesman of
> >> >> >> >> > > China could have suggested that the Chinese government
has a tradition
> >> >> >> >> > > of tolerating opinion difference
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > But they don't.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > and thus understood the sentiments of
> >> >> >> >> > > the protesters. This would have immediately diffused a
lot of anger.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > It would have caused a great deal of laughter. China has
no tradition of
> >> >> >> >> > tolerating opinion differences on political matters. Its a
one party state
> >> >> >> >> > with no free press.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > In addition, I think the Beijing leader****p should also
learn to get
> >> >> >> >> > > used to a more transparent political culture. After the
Lhasa riot,
> >> >> >> >> > > the government of China should have allowed foreign
re****ters to room
> >> >> >> >> > > at will the way foreign re****ters were allowed to room
LA at will
> >> >> >> >> > > after the LA riot.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Yes. Pity they didn't. Maybe they didn't actually want
people to know what
> >> >> >> >> > they were doing in Tibet.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > Personally I think the Chinese authority has
> >> >> >> >> > > exercised much more restraint than it should in the
Lhasa riot
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > So how many more protesters do you think they should have
shot?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > ?but the
> >> >> >> >> > > way they handled the situation, especially the
state-staged visit by
> >> >> >> >> > > foreign re****ters, has defeated the purpose and helped
paint itself as
> >> >> >> >> > > a big bully!
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Ummm ... because it is a big bully?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > > Old habits die hard....
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > You are presumably referring to the Tiananmen Square
massacre?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > They really haven't seemed to learn what is an acceptable
way of dealing
> >> >> >> >> > with people that don't agree with them, do they?
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> Pray tell waht should be done with the western which
insisted to lie
> >> >> >> >> about China.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Like I taught my children when they were very small.
> >> >> >> >Tell the truth.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Or?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >When you grow up and have kids you may understand.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I have no problem understanding you. I just want to know what
happens
> >> >> if they don't listen to you.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >It's not what the west will do.
> >> >It is what the people of China will do when they discover their 
> >> >government has been lying to them since 1949. 
> >> 
> >> You digress. The point is about what you should do to your lying
> >> western media.
> >
> >Why should I do anything about the media ?
> 
> Because you as their readers and viewers have the responsibility to
> keep them re****ting the facts truthfully. If you allow them to lie,
> then you will be the ones who will suffer the consequences of their
> lie. In a democratic society, you have the duty to keep your free
> media remain truthful. It is for your own personal benefit and well
> being.

And when they make mistakes that I have personal knowledge of I do 
correct them.


> 
> >Are suggesting there should not be freedom of speach ?
> 
> There should not be the freedom of lying speech, yes. The society that
> is filled with lies is a dying society.

I am glad you recognise that the current society in China is dying.

> 
> >In your opinion the media lies about China.
> >The world disagrees with you.
> 
> That's only the media world you are talking about. The real world is
> not the same as what you see on TV. What you see on TV is more likely
> a staged event by your free lying media.

You view everything through the lense of your Chinese media.
Bcause your government stages things and tells your media to publish it 
you believe that all media does so.

Its like a Russian that I used to work with.
We were painting a geological service office and he commented the maps 
were not accurate. I asked him why he said so and he replied it was 
because all maps in Russia had deliberate errors. Entire cities not 
shown, which is correct, for the old Soviet Union. But not for the US.

Open your mind and ask why your government will not let you access 
information freely ?
Think about this, if it is all lies what do they have to lose in letting 
you read it ?