Dear TouchingU
Share with us, as an atheists what reference you used as your guidance
to a success, happy and peaceful mind?
Let observe what Jesus ( peace be upon him) and Muhammad( peace be
upon him) taught
22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry
out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is
cruelly demon-possessed." 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His
disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she
keeps shouting at us." 24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only
to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25 But she came and began
to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!" 26 And He answered
and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to
the dogs." 27 But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the
crumbs which fall from their masters' table." 28 Then Jesus said to
her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you
wish." And her daughter was healed at once.
The teaching of Jesus is limited to the house of Israel but not the
teaching of Muhammad( peace be upon him).
2:1 Alif. Lam. Mim. [1]
2:2 THIS DIVINE WRIT - let there be no doubt about it is [meant to be]
a guidance for all the God-conscious. [2]
2:3 Who believe in [the existence of] that which is beyond the reach
of human perception, [3] and are constant in prayer, and spend on
others out of what We provide for them as sustenance; [4]
2:4 And who believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon
thee, [O Prophet,] as well as in that which was bestowed before thy
time: [5] for it is they who in their innermost are certain of the
life to come!
2:5 It is they who follow the guidance [which comes from their
Sustainer; and it is they, they who' shall attain to a happy state!
2:6 BEHOLD, as for those who are bent on denying the truth [6] - it is
all one to them whether thou warnest them or dost not warn them: they
will not believe.
2:7 God; has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their
eyes is a veil; [7] and awesome suffering awaits them.
2:8 And there are people who say, "We do believe in God and the Last
Day," the while they do not [really]. believe.
2:9 They would deceive God and those who have attained to faith-the
while they deceive none but themselves, and perceive it not.
2:10 In their hearts is disease, and so God lets their disease
increase; and grievous suffering awaits them because of their
persistent lying. [8]
2:11 And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they
answer, "We are but improving things!"
2:12 Oh, verily, it is they, they who are spreading corruption but
they perceive it not? [9]
2:13 And when they are told, "Believe as other people believe," they
answer, "Shall we believe as the weak-minded believe?" Oh, verily, it
is they, they who are weak-minded -but they know it not!
2:14 And when they meet those who have attained to faith, they assert,
"We believe [as you believe]"; but when they find themselves alone
with their- evil impulses, [10] they say, "Verily, we are with you; we
were only mocking!"
2:15 God will requite them for their mockery, [11] and will leave them
for a while in their overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and
fro:
2:16 [for] it is they who have taken error in exchange for guidance;
and neither has their bargain brought them gain, nor have they found
guidance [elsewhere].
2:17 Their parable is that of people who kindle a fire: but as soon as
it has illumined all around them, God takes away their light and
leaves them in utter darkness, wherein they cannot see:
2:18 Deaf, dumb, blind - and they cannot turn back.
2:19 Or [the parable] of a violent cloudburst in the sky, with utter
darkness, thunder and lightning: they put their fingers into their
ears to keep out the peals of thunder, in terror of death; but God
encomp***** [with His might] all who deny the truth.
2:20 The lightning well-nigh takes away their sight; whenever it gives
them light, they advance therein, and whenever darkness falls around
them, they stand still. And if God so willed, He could indeed take
away their hearing and their sight: [12] for, verily, God has the
power to will anything.
2:21 O MANKIND! Wor****p your Sustainer, who has created you and those
who lived before you, so that you might remain conscious of Him
2:22 who has made the earth a resting-place for you and the sky a
canopy, and has sent down water from the sky and thereby brought forth
fruits for your sustenance: do not, then, claim that there is any
power that could rival God, [13] when you know [that He is One].
2:23 And if you doubt any part of what We have, bestowed from on high,
step by step, upon Our servant [Muhammad], [14] then produce a surah
of similar merit, and call upon any other than God to bear witness for
you [15] -if what you say is true!
2:24 And if you cannot do it-and most certainly you cannot do it-then
be conscious of the fire whose fuel is human beings and stones [16]
which awaits all who deny the truth!
2:25 But unto those who have attained to faith and do good works give
the glad tiding that theirs shall be gardens through which running
waters flow. Whenever they are granted fruits there from as their
appointed sustenance, they will say, "It is this that in days of yore
was granted to us as our sustenance!"-for they shall be given
something that will recall that [past]. [17] And there shall they have
spouses pure, and there shall they abide. (Baqarah 2:1-25)
Cheers
On Apr 12, 10:24 am, "TouchingU" <touchi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Someway or another, all religionists see only themselves, when you get
dow=
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> to the very roots.
>
> Long live atheists!!!
>
> "Peturuk" <Petu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> news:ftdf0q$j8t$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Because ALL what they can see is just themselves, and no one else,
> > that's why...
>
> > And your job is to make them see that there are other people in this
> > world other then they...and this is not an easy job my friend.
>
> > gurshara...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > > I agree that all religions lead to the same path and teach
respecting
> > > fellow humans.
> > > But you need to go through the history books as well as the internet
> > > forums in details
> > > and find out why not only sikhs but the whole world(literally) are
> > > allergic to islam.
> > > It is true that it is the converts who are more fanatical of the
> > > islamists and you surely
> > > fall into the category.Even jesus christ/prophet/gautam buddha died
> > > either naturally or were killed
> > > but this does not mean that your use degratory language against
these
> > > people.
> > > You may disagree with their teaching and are free to choose the
> > > religion of your choice
> > > but for heavens sake dont start spitting on these institutions which
> > > are a reason of
> > > pride for so many.
>
> > > AleXX wrote:
> > >> Not the same friend!
> > >> One is wearing songkok and the other is wearing turban !!
>
> > >> "nur" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
> news:ce890536-ae15-4344-a53d-01725769797c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >>> First off I just want to start off saying to anybody who might be
> > >>> thinking that I am a fake and pretending to make this story up.
That=
> > >>> in fact I am not, and I know sikhs will say alot of stuff, and I
kno=
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> > >>> my muslim brothers and sisters
>
> > >>> (some not all) will think inside their head good haha a sikh
convert=
ed
> > >>> to islam.
>
> > >>> But my conversion is nothing to rub in others face or to
discriminat=
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> > >>> against. I have posted this story for those sikhs who might be
> > >>> thinking about reverting but are not sure or need somebody to
relate=
> > >>> to. Because I sure know if I had that it would have made things
> > >>> clearer to me earlier.
>
> > >>> I grew up in a very religious sikh family in Canada. Although my
> > >>> parents were not amrit shak they were pretty religious, and so was
I=
..
> > >>> I went to the gudwara regularly did my seva, prayed. But I wasn't
a
> > >>> full practicing sikh (i ate meat, cut my hair) but despite that I
wa=
s
> > >>> more religious then most young sikhs.
>
> > >>> Growing up I absolutly hated muslims. I cannot even begin to
emphasi=
ze
> > >>> how much i actually did hate them. I hated Islam and everything
that=
> > >>> it stood for. I use to tell everybody to hate them as well. And it
> > >>> actually worked, my cousins my family friends. I would tell my
young=
er
> > >>> cousins if they ever made friends with a muslim I would kick their
> > >>> ass.
>
> > >>> I picked on young muslim girls who wore Hijjab. I would find
muslims=
> > >>> online swear at them and at Islam (may allah forgive me).When ever
I=
> > >>> would have to write a paper it would be on Oppresion of women in
> > >>> Islam, and or how muslims are devil wor****ppers. My hate for them
wa=
s
> > >>> extreme I was gonna get a tatoo on my back in arabic writing
saying
> > >>> all the muslims are gonna die.
>
> > >>> I think about it now as to why I hated muslims and islam so much
and=
> > >>> it seems clear to me. I was a proud Sikh Jatt girl,extremley
proud.
> > >>> Whenever I would hear about what the guru's had to go through
becaus=
e
> > >>> of the Mongols or that era I'd wanna kill a muslim. I would sit in
t=
he
> > >>> gudwara listen to the baba tell stories of the guru's and just get
> > >>> pissed.
>
> > >>> I don't know about gudwara's around the world but in Canada in the
> > >>> langar hall they ususally have so many paintings of muslims
killing
> > >>> sikhs and the guru's. So one would sit there and stare at this and
b=
e
> > >>> like #%*@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
while eating their rotti.
>
> > >>> One day I met a Muslim guy at university,and we began going out. I
> > >>> don't know why I even went out with him but I did. Eventually we
got=
> > >>> married, my parents were okay with it. We Had a really nice
wedding.=
I
> > >>> had already told him that I would die before becoming a muslim,
and =
he
> > >>> was okay with that.
>
> > >>> As I stayed in their home the first few months of my married life.
I=
> > >>> began to see them as people. They were actually nice people. They
> > >>> never once asked me to convert which surprised me. His father was
ve=
ry
> > >>> religious, I use to often see him praying or having religious
talks
> > >>> with my husband.
>
> > >>> Even though I had decided okay maybe muslims are nice..but i was
sti=
ll
> > >>> like hell no Im a Proud Sikh girl, I use to wear my Kara with
pride,=
> > >>> never ate halal brought my non halal meat for myself.
>
> > >>> One day I was like hmm let me find out what islam is. I began
readin=
g
> > >>> about it. found it very interesting. It was nothing like I thought
i=
t
> > >>> was. It made so much sense to me. But that wasn't gonna change me
> > >>> being a Sikh.
>
> > >>> One day I asked my husband to have a debate with me about sikhism
an=
d
> > >>> islam. My husband never wins debates but he won this one. So i
thoug=
ht
> > >>> maybe im not that knowledgable in sikhism. I began taking cl*****
an=
d
> > >>> studied it day in day out.
>
> > >>> The more I studied it the more I got scared, the fact that Islam
mig=
ht
> > >>> be the right religon shook me. I couldn't give it up, my pride
this =
is
> > >>> who I was a sikh, my anncestors faught to their death so they
could
> > >>> keep their faith.
>
> > >>> Here is some of what i learned.....
>
> > >>> 1) Sikhism doesn't believe in prophethood
>
> > >>> since i was a little I asked my mom why did muslims kill our gods?
H=
e
> > >>> was god mom why didn't god kill the muslims. My mom's answer was
he
> > >>> wanted to show them.. show them what mom? her answer was shut up u
a=
sk
> > >>> to many questions! I did further research and found out that this
wa=
s
> > >>> part of guru's plans if they wanted they could have done magic but
d=
id
> > >>> not want to.. sureee okay.
>
> > >>> why would god allow mere humans to kill him?
>
> > >>> So god can die?
>
> > >>> If god can't protect himself how is he gonna help me?
>
> > >>> god bleeds like me?
>
> > >>> Then some say they were sent down from the akal purath to show the
w=
ay
> > >>> they had a part of god in them. Fiar enough but first off thats
wron=
g
> > >>> guru granth says that it denounces prophethood. Secondly if only a
> > >>> part of god is with them then why do we wor****p his creation why
not=
> > >>> wor****p the almighty himself. Thats like saying imma go wor****p my
> > >>> mom. Don't even deny it you know ur parents are sure enough to
have
> > >>> pictures of guru Na**** and guru gobind singh ji somewhere in the
> > >>> house. And u know ur parents fold their hand and pray to them.
>
> > >>> When i use to read Nitnama Bani, I use to read passages which said
I=
> > >>> seek protection under guru gobind singh ji's sword. Guru Gobind
sing=
h
> > >>> ji died, if he couldn't protect himself with his own sword i don't
> > >>> think that sword is gonna do much for me or anybody else.
>
> > >>> 2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god
>
> > >>> Guru Na**** Dev Ji was the one who said ik onkar (there is 1 god).
Bu=
t
> > >>> Asking my parents and varoius Baba's at the gudwara and even
> > >>> discovering it myself. that in fact Ik onkar means all the guru's
ar=
e
> > >>> one. Maybe Guru Na**** did mean there is one god but afterwards
> > >>> something happened along the way?
>
> > >>> 3) Guru Na**** was a muslim!!
>
> > >>> Guru Na****'s chola which is kept by a chosen Gursikh family has in
> > >>> arabic the words written on it La illa ilallah muhhamdur rusool
alla=
h.
> > >>> It is said he gave it to his followers. There are pictures of it
on
> > >>> the internet if you think I am lying. He went to mecca medina
which
> > >>> everybody knows.
>
> > >>> If u are a muslim u very well know no non-muslims are aloud there.
> > >>> It's strictly for believers only. There is story which says Guru
Nan=
ak
> > >>> was sleeping with his feet towards the Kabbah when he arrived at
mec=
ca
> > >>> and a man asked him to move his feet. when the man would turn the
fe=
et
> > >>> of Guru Na**** his feet would go back in the same place facing the
> > >>> Kabbah. And supposably the man was shocked and thought Guru Na****
wa=
s
> > >>> a saint.
>
> > >>> This story cann't make sense at all!!
>
> > >>> First off If that were true and Na**** had his feet in the
direction =
of
> > >>> the kabbah they would have killed him no questions asked. Its
tottal=
> > >>> disrespect, and besides why would he come all that way to do hajj
an=
d
> > >>> then disrespect it like that. It just makes no sense.
>
> > >>> Mecca is an extremly religious place u can't just expect to do
that
> > >>> and nothing happen to you. If guru Na**** thought the Kabbah was
> > >>> nothing then he would not have made the trouble to do pilgrimage
> > >>> there. If he claims there is no hindu no muslims why did he go
perfo=
rm
> > >>> hajj.
>
> > >>> When you perform Hajj your very lucky if you get some string from
th=
e
> > >>> Kabbah which he did and those very strings are in a gudwara in
India=
..
> > >>> I've seen them for myself.
>
> > >>> 4) Guru Amar Das changed things
>
> > >>> Its believed by many that he changed alot of guru Na****s writings
> > >>> around and or added his own thing in.
>
> > >>> 5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?
>
> > >>> 6) Sikhism and Hinduism very alike
>
> > >>> For those who do not already know the geeta has very digusting
thing=
s
> > >>> in it, hindu's don't like to admit it but Kama sutra is considered
> > >>> religious text. Hindu's are idol wor****pers. There are stories of
> > >>> their gods jerking off we dont need to get into detail. Guru
Granth
> > >>> praises the Hindu gods, talks about them.
>
> > >>> Why is this that the
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