Re: Tibet closed to western media is just a way to say "No comment"

On Apr 20, 11:00=A0am, netvegetable <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:57:04 -0700, ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >> >> The analogy is flawed. In this case, the man is saying "No
Comment"
> >> >> on behalf of somebody else - the people in Tibet. Would be nice if
> >> >> they could say their own peace, unlike the monks in this video.
>
> >> > No, the analogy is not flawed. Tibet is part of China.
>
> >> Well there Tibetans who disagree with you on that.
>
> > It is naural that different Tibetans will have different opinions on
all=

> > things under the heaven. But whether Tibet is part of China is not a
> > mtter of opinion. It is a matter of external legitimacy and internal
> > legitimacy.
>
> [snip]
>
> It that were the case, Ireland would still be part of Britain. Sarejevo
> would still be part of Austria-Hungary. Virginia and the rest of the
> thirteen colonies would still belong to Britain.

Don't know enough about those countries to comment on it.
>
> The reason it is not the case, is because of the principle of self-
> determination. It was the moral rationale for the dismantling of our
> Empires. And its the reason your claims over Tibet will fall on deaf
> ears, no matter how much waffle you post.

If there is such an overarching "principle of self-dtermination" is of
suh im****tance, then your government and other governments should
terminate diplomatic relation****p with Beijing unless Tibet has self-
determined. As a matter of fact, I believe your goverment's official
positon is "Tibet is part of China."


>
> >> =A0Luckily for you
> >> though, they got locked up for speaking their mind, if not killed.
>
> > I heard that all the time. But I am still waiting for someone to say
> > that he or she knows the above is indeed a fact.
>
> Well I know it's a fact.
>
> Here's an account of two young men sentenced, at the Lhasa Intermediate
> People's Court, to three years in prison simply for shouting "Free
Tibet"
> and carrying the banned Tibetan flag.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6fycff

AI does not hve re****ters inside China. Their re****ts are
unsbstrantiated and unsubstantiable.

>
> Here's the case of Ronggyal Adrak, jailed for 8 years simply for
shouting
> "Long Live the Dallai Lama!" at a racing festival.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6zkq2o
>
> Want to see extrajudicial execution? Here's a video of your gallant
> troops shooting unarmed Tibetans like dogs.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6gtm9e
>
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