On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:21:18 +0800, ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 20, 11:00 am, netvegetable <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 05:57:04 -0700, ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>>> The analogy is flawed. In this case, the man is saying "No Comment"
>>>>>> on behalf of somebody else - the people in Tibet. Would be nice if
>>>>>> they could say their own peace, unlike the monks in this video.
>>
>>>>> No, the analogy is not flawed. Tibet is part of China.
>>
>>>> Well there Tibetans who disagree with you on that.
>>
>>> It is naural that different Tibetans will have different opinions on
all
>>> things under the heaven. But whether Tibet is part of China is not a
>>> mtter of opinion. It is a matter of external legitimacy and internal
>>> legitimacy.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> It that were the case, Ireland would still be part of Britain. Sarejevo
>> would still be part of Austria-Hungary. Virginia and the rest of the
>> thirteen colonies would still belong to Britain.
>
> Don't know enough about those countries to comment on it.
>>
>> The reason it is not the case, is because of the principle of self-
>> determination. It was the moral rationale for the dismantling of our
>> Empires. And its the reason your claims over Tibet will fall on deaf
>> ears, no matter how much waffle you post.
>
> If there is such an overarching "principle of self-dtermination" is of
> suh im****tance, then your government and other governments should
> terminate diplomatic relation****p with Beijing unless Tibet has self-
> determined. As a matter of fact, I believe your goverment's official
> positon is "Tibet is part of China."
>
>
>>
>>>> Luckily for you
>>>> though, they got locked up for speaking their mind, if not killed.
>>
>>> I heard that all the time. But I am still waiting for someone to say
>>> that he or she knows the above is indeed a fact.
>>
>> Well I know it's a fact.
>>
>> Here's an account of two young men sentenced, at the Lhasa Intermediate
>> People's Court, to three years in prison simply for shouting "Free
Tibet"
>> and carrying the banned Tibetan flag.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6fycff
>
> AI does not hve re****ters inside China. Their re****ts are
> unsbstrantiated and unsubstantiable.
Both statements are false. AI gets lots of re****ts from inside China, and
in
spite of the CCP efforts many are independently substantiated.
BTW, don't you suppose that if the AI re****ts were false, and the CCP
wanted
to show that they were false, it could allow independent investigations.
The
mere fact that the CCP refuses to allow independent investigations is
substantial evidence that the re****ts of abuse are true.
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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