On Apr 20, 5:57=A0am, "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Apr 20, 5:32=A0am, netvegetable <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:06:58 -0700, ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 19, 8:03=A0pm, netvegetable <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:41:43 -0700, ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > Scene 1:
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> > >> > =A0A man was getting off the car. And a bunch of reproters put
the
> > >> > =A0many
> > >> > microphones onto the face of the man. The man push away the
> > >> > microphones and said "No comment."
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> > >> > Scene 2:
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> > >> > The phone rang. A man picked up the phone. And then he or she
slam
> > >> > the phone down and said, "The god damned press again."
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> > >> > Both the above are common scenes in America and elsewhere. In the
> > >> > scenarios above, both men behaved the =A0way they did because
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felt
> > >> > a certain revulsion toward re****ters. Why? Simple reasons.
Re****ter=
s
> > >> > don't always tell the truth. They often lie and make things up.
> > >> > China's closing Tibet is no different from the man who said "No
> > >> > comment" and the man who slammed the phone down. As the men above
> > >> > will continue to have their lives talking with non-re****ters face
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> > >> > face or over the phone, China including Tibet will continue to
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> > >> > people in and out of China includingn Tibet.
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> > >> The analogy is flawed. In this case, the man is saying "No Comment"
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> > >> behalf of somebody else - the people in Tibet. Would be nice if
they
> > >> could say their own peace, unlike the monks in this video.
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> > > No, the analogy is not flawed. Tibet is part of China.
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> > Well there Tibetans who disagree with you on that.
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> It is naural that different Tibetans will have different opinions on
> all things under the heaven. But whether Tibet is part of China is not
> a mtter of opinion. It is a matter of external legitimacy and internal
> legitimacy.
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> External legitimacy: Since there is no god devining which piece of
> land should belong to which people, to own and to hold, forever and
> ever. International boundary is a matter of international recognition.
> Tibet being part of China was achnoedged and accepted internationally
> for many years. For instance, the following film clip made by the U.S.
> government cleary shows that the U.S. like other governments at that
> time recognized Tibet as part of China.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_tOtVQ7cNWY
>
> Tibet not being part of China only arised as the results of the Korean
> war and the cold war mentally under which western countries want to
> weaken China by whatever way they could.
>
> Internal Legitimacy: The peaceful liberation of Tibet said volume
> about the relation****p between China and Tibet. Yes, there were
> military actions. But overall there were not a lot of bloodshed. The
> military phase of the liberation last for 12 days, 180 Tibetans troops
> were killed or wounded. In comparision, Francis Younghusband's 1903-04
> expedition killed 700 Tibetans. =A0More imprtant, the
>
> "military action was meant as a display of Chinese miltiary strength;
> it showed her determination to 'integrate' Tibet within the new China.
> The Chinese could have marched straight on to Lhasa but ... Instead
> they attempted to convince the Tibetan Government that a negotiated
> settlement could be reached, and that they are willing to seek
> 'peaceful liberation.'"
>
> While military action was stopped on the 19th Oct.1950, the
> negotiation took another one year and one day. Finally, the 17-points
> agreemwnt between a cnetral governemnt and a local government, signed
> on May 23rd, 1951 was ratified by the Kashag and accepted by the DL on
> the 20th Oct of 1951. On the 24th, a letter written by the DL was sent
> to Mao in the form of a telegram:
>
> "The Tibet Local Government as well as the ecclesiastic and secular
> people unanimoulsy sup****t this agreement, and under the leader****p of
> Chairman Mao and the Central People's Government, will actively
> sup****t the People's Liberation Army in Tibet to consolidate national
> defence, drive out imperialist influences from Tibet and safeguard the
> unification of the territory and the sovereignty of the Motherland."
>
> (All quotes above from THE DRAGON IN THE LAND OF SNOWS by Tsering
> Shakya)
>
> > =A0Luckily for you
> > though, they got locked up for speaking their mind, if not killed.
>
> I heard that all the time. But I am still waiting for someone to say
> that he or she knows the above is indeed a fact.
The problem is yours, not ours. When facts are presented to you, you
ignore them. When your lies are refuted, you ignore us.
Then you get up the next day, race to Starbucks and type the same ****
all over again.
You're not fooling anyone.
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