Re: Dalai Lama and LamuDengzhu._DanzhenjiaCuo

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:34:22 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
<lukecarlos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Apr 24, 11:54?pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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>> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >On Apr 24, 9:06?pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:46:48 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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>> >> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >On Apr 23, 10:26?pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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>> >> >> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >On Apr 23, 6:01?pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:56:50 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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>> >> >> >> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >> >On Apr 23, 3:43?am, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:46:50 -0700 (PDT), Awaken21
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>> >> >> >> >> <lukecar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> >> >> >> Have you no shame to
>> >> >> >> >> >> speak for the Devil simply because the Devil has many
slaves?
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>> >> >> >> >> >Correct, I have no shame, and none to hand out, or project
on others.
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>> >> >> >> >> I think that sums up our conversation nicely. I have no
need to talk
>> >> >> >> >> with a self-confessed Devil's minion any longer.
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>> >> >> >> >I didn't confess to that but I'm not surprised you interpret
my words
>> >> >> >> >that way and no interest or particular need to explain or
defend
>> >> >> >> >further, those with eyes to see will understand.
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>> >> >> >> What exactly do you want people to see? I asked a question,
you said
>> >> >> >> "YES".
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>> >> >> >I'm not overly concerned with what others see. I answered the
question
>> >> >> >"have you no shame", you seem to know much more about devils
than I
>> >> >> >do.
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>> >> >> Go on. Keep on wiggling. See if you can wiggle out of it.
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>> >> >Wiggle out of what? I'm free in all ten directions, as far as I can
>> >> >tell. Not being trapped by a judgemental mind helps.
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>> >> There is a hell prepared just for your kind. I can see many so
called
>> >> Buddhists who are just like you, are living in there right now.
>> >>Wiggle
>> >> or not, you can't refuse your destiny.
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>> >No destiny only karma. ?Using self rightous morality to stand in
>> >judgment of other human beings is the creation of hell without having
>> >to take another step. But more im****tantly, and back to my original
>> >point in jumping into this conversation, it's not in keeping with the
>> >purpose of Buddhist morality. You can continue to judge me and call me
>> >names and form opinions about how I'm a Devil minion and belong in
>> >hell etc., but really that's a alot taking poison to spite your enemy
>> >according to Buddhist teachings.
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>> No one is calling you names. You own that name with your own action
>> and words. Blaming me will not change the fact you are responsible for
>> your own words.
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>Oh, I was confused by the "Devil's minion" thing, you know, your
>words.

Apparently you still are confused. Those are my words reflecting your
actions for speaking for evil without shame.

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>> >Just thought I'd point out this particular fatal flaw in your argument
>> >for anyone interested in talking about Buddhist subjects, or who might
>> >not know enough about Buddhism to accidently fall into the trap your
>> >unskillful words are setting.
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>> In an attempt to blame me for "miss" judging you, you forgot the fact
>> you always judge yourself with everything you do.
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>I'd say "fact" is an abused term in that sentence. It's more accurate
>to say you reveal yourself in everything you do, no need for all that
>judgment that you seem so attached to. Kind of a hellish thing to be
>so attached to judgemental mind, not a great way to help others
>either.
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>> When you speak for
>> evil, you judge yourself to be the Devil's minion.
>> When you condone
>> violence, you judge yourself to be the Devil's minion.
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>I didn't do any of those things, I simply said according to Buddhist
>teachings it's best to refrian from judging others. That was not meant
>in defense of, nor against any particular side. What I was speaking
>against is notion that judging others is something a Buddhist should
>engage in. That specific idea which you are encouraging, which tends
>to put one in a self rightous and judgemental mind set. Horrible
>mindset for walking the eightfold path.
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>So let's see, who brought the term "Devils minion" to this table?
>Who's responsible for that name calling? I'm responsible for "self
>rightous jerk". We'll see if I'm proven wrong, that would be nice.
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>>The fact I am
>> pointing out your failure in following the words of the Buddha to
>> practice the eight fold path does not make your failure become mine.
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>What makes the failure yours is your defense of this kind of
>judgmental behavior, and the judgmental behavior and unskillful speech
>itself. What causes the problem is that this kind of judgmental
>mindset is not what the Buddha taught at all and is a highly
>unskillful use of the eightfold path. Put down judgmental mind and
>the failure belongs to no one, so it disappears. That simple. Life is
>short, why spend it harming yourself?

Instead of continually blaming me for being judgmental, it would be
better if you could reflect on your own words instead. Can't do that,
can you? since it would show that you are speaking for evil. 

Incidentally, did Buddha ever say that it is better not to judge Lamas
for killing innocent bystanders, burning and looting their shops,
cause it would make you a judgmental evil man who will suffer just as
those criminal lamas if not more than them?