Re: WHO SAYS THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN CHINA?

In article <q2vq14903en3dqa18p0can0ob4fjfr4oka@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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> On Sat, 3 May 2008 12:41:18 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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> >In article <de4p149jcp1ucco0fnttr5u1sp17kgctjl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> >says...
> >> On Sat, 3 May 2008 09:10:52 -0700, tankfixer
<paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> wrote:
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> >> >In article <n95o1491reqonke5um7ffgh03qj4369n71@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> >> >says...
> >> >> On Fri, 2 May 2008 12:56:17 -0700, tankfixer
<paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> wrote:
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> >> >> >In article <bipm141b0kjragb57a4rqrmqdncmf26etq@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
niday@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
> >> >> >says...
> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 May 2008 10:29:37 -0700, tankfixer
<paul.carrier@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >In article <0938d434-0950-464d-883b-6d7202c0bee6
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>, ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 says...
> >> >> >> >> On May 2, 12:32?pm, "fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > WHO SAYS THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN CHINA?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I went to a meeting of Business Men's Fellow****p in the
coastal city
> >> >> >> >> > of ShenZhen in China in an evening. ?The people there were
singing and
> >> >> >> >> > dancing in a 5 star hotel convention hall, praising Jesus
and giving
> >> >> >> >> > testimony how Jesus helped various individuals from rack
to riches.
> >> >> >> >> > And many Westerners, very wealthy themselves, came all the
way from
> >> >> >> >> > the US and UK. This sort of religious movement is
spreading like fires
> >> >> >> >> > in most coastal cities in China. Entrepreneurs love
Jesus....
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > The religious atmosphere in China is as free as anywhere
as long as
> >> >> >> >> > you don't go out into the streets with a loudspeaker and
give the
> >> >> >> >> > police trouble. ?But then again, why is it so hard to do?
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> Those westerners who don't understand the separation of the
church and
> >> >> >> >> the state.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >In my country a church is not required to register with the
government.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Isn't that the very reason why there are so many evil crusades
and
> >> >> >> crazy jihads in your country? It's a miracle you are still
alive. You
> >> >> >> should have been killed by those religious fanatics for
allowing them
> >> >> >> running amok tax free.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What jihads and crusades ?
> >> >> >What you imagine does not happen here.
> >> >> 
> >> >> What a ****ing idiot. What happened in Waco, Texas? What happened
to
> >> >> Terry Schiavo? What happened to all sorts of doomsday cults all
across
> >> >> the western world? What happened to anti-semitism, KKK, Osama Bin
> >> >> Laden and the war on terror? 
> >> >
> >> >Waco was intended to show the country the Clinton administration was

> >> >tough on illegal weapons.
> >> >They botched the entire operation.
> >> >
> >> >Ms ****vo was people on all sides using a poor womans tragedy for
thier 
> >> >own political purposes.
> >> >
> >> >Most dooms day cults blossom and then die out of thier own, few are
ever 
> >> >raided, arrested or banned by thier governments.
> >> 
> >> Why the **** are you speaking for the government? I'm showing you the
> >> evil of western religious institutions as the result of your
so-called
> >> religious freedom. I'm sure your government would have plenty ways to
> >> keep those tragedies from happening if not because of such ridiculous
> >> policy. You don't have to explain away to protect your government. I
> >> sympathize the situation of your government and your society. Prove
to
> >> me those tragedies, those evil organizations, and those evil
doctrines
> >> are not the result of your so-called religious freedom.
> >
> >I'm sorry but I'm not going to try and prove a negitive.
> >Why don't you try and lay out a rational argument that those excesses 
> >were the result of religious freedom.
> >I won't hold my breath waiting..
> 
> Why is it not already apparent enough that those conflicts and
> tragedies are the direct results of too much power in the name of
> religious freedom is given to the various religious institutions?
> Religion is supposed to be a mere religious teaching for moral
> persuasion *alone*. It should never be a deadly force for political
> domination. By allowing those imams, rabbis  and holy fathers to
> preach immoral and hateful doctrines, the western world is in constant
> state of social and political turmoil. Why is this simple fact not
> obvious to you?
> 

What is obvious you are wish to impose your concept of faith on everyone 
else.




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