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Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?

by "Peter Webb" <webbfamily@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 11, 2008 at 05:40 PM

<fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:f8afbbe9-e73b-456b-932b-69ffffcf3b4a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The rallying cry "Free Tibet" can even be observed in the caps worn by
> the down-and-outs begging for nickles and dimes in the streets of
> Vancouver downtown.  I wonder how many of them are able to show where
> Tibet is on map.  But let us see how possible (or probable) it is for
> a 'Free Tibet' to materialize.
>
> There are 58 ethnic groups in China and the Tibetans are not even the
> largest one. The attempt to restore a 'Free Tibet' in accordance with
> the Dalai Lama's formula, which encomp***** about 1/4 of China's
> current territory, would mean having to walk over the dead bodies of
> the other 57 ethnic groups.
>
> "The Dalai Lama's stated aim is for Beijing to grant some kind of
> limited autonomy to Tibet......... has been that the new autonomous
> region would include so-called "greater" Tibet, that is, all the
> traditionally ethnic-Tibetan areas now parts of the provinces of
> Sichuan, Yunnan, Gansu and Qinghai. In total, that would compromise
> around a quarter of China's current territory. No government in
> Beijing could ever contemplate such a giveaway, which would almost
> certainly unleash a nationalist backlash of frightening pro****tions."
>
> http://en.chinaelections.org/newsinfo.asp?newsid=17363
>

That is an official Chinese Government website, and it provides no 
substantiation for its claims..


> Territorial claims have to be practical to make any sense.
> Vietnam and Mongolia proper were once parts of China for a millennia.
> Korea used to rule northern China for a quite a while.  Other examples
> are the Manchus' rule over Manchuria, Uygurs had their empire for a
> millennia too..Baikal Lake was called a Northern lake in China.
> Tibetan empire was once so powerful that it ransacked Han capital
> too.  The whole human history has been the history of empires gobbling
> up each in much the same way animals eat up each other in a jungle.
> Dalai wants to go back to past history of hundreds if not thousands of
> years and start from there.  Well, many many years ago Tibetans might
> not have been the original inhabitants of Tibet either.  The Nazis
> went up to visit them in order to find out if they had been the
> ancestors from the vani****ng island of Atlantas.
>
> At this moment there are about 80K Tibetan exiles.

The "free Tibet" movement is not solely for the purpose of Tibetan exiles,

Tibetans living in Tibet might like to be free as well.


> Many of them are
> the descendants of the former slave owners.  Let them go to Canada or
> USA for good since the latter's governments love them so much.  For
> these 80K Tibetans exiles to establish an autonomous region equal to
> the size of 1/4 of China, they have to walk over the dead bodies of
> the other 57 ethnic groups scattered everywhere.
>
> Who would take the lead?  Perhaps the down-and-outs in Canada, or
> Europe...or the beach bums in Australia.. would do so.  After all,
> they don't have much to do anyway.  Thus shouting some slogans while
> being unable to point out where Tibet is on map should be a very good
> Sunday pastime....
>

Well, the only evidence you provide for anything you say is a Chinese 
Government web site.

ROFL
 




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Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 00:28:53 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-11 17:40:37 
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PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@[EM  2008-05-11 11:33:51 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 05:44:29 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-11 05:51:07 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 08:20:11 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 08:36:55 
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Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-11 15:49:16 
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aozotorp@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-11 12:04:01 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:52:46 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 11:51:06 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:55 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 13:51:41 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 20:12:36 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-11 21:18:45 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-11 21:29:47 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:19:30 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:56 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 04:44:15 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-11 22:46:50 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:58 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:21:35 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:59 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:33:32 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:35:01 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:31:29 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:57:51 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:35:41 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:52:03 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:22 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:40:37 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:53:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:44 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 07:50:46 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:54:39 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:40 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 07:55:16 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:57:41 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:41 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 02:10:17 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:43 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 09:26:24 
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aozotorp@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 03:10:15 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:45 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:46:20 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:13:47 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:50:41 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:53:38 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:55:25 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 05:01:08 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 05:36:12 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:17 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 06:00:54 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 06:23:38 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:18 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 06:25:34 
fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:16 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 08:17:00 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:29:33 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:34:43 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:34:54 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 08:39:52 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:49 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 08:41:58 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 09:02:16 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:06:53 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 09:40:45 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 09:04:12 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 09:41:34 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 17:26:43 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:04:31 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:25:27 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:50 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:26:19 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:03:32 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:58 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 16:27:30 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:36:37 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:02:27 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:52 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 16:59:52 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:53 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 17:21:12 
If CCP censor****p is so good, why not try it yourself.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:55 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:34:50 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:59 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:38:53 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:45:38 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:56 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:51:04 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 19:19:55 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:48 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 17:21:35 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 22:47:46 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:18 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 23:54:07 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:17 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:20:12 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-14 16:17:37 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:31:53 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 22:24:39 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:34:46 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 17:51:29 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 18:56:17 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:04:24 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:05:55 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:12:38 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:15:19 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 02:11:21 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 14:21:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 18:33:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 18:38:21 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 19:32:13 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 05:18:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 06:45:15 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-15 20:46:56 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 06:49:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 01:34:57 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-15 20:46:57 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-16 00:45:21 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 01:49:37 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 02:05:19 
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"OD" <Yahoo@  2008-05-15 23:29:30 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-15 07:53:19 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 09:48:40 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 09:50:28 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-16 12:51:00 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-16 22:30:12 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 00:55:17 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-17 01:15:46 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 11:34:20 
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Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 11:50:10 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 14:14:39 
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Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 15:40:13 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 21:10:14 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-19 00:01:43 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 17:27:08 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-17 01:13:23 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-16 21:53:27 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-16 23:27:41 
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"OD" <Yahoo@  2008-05-19 21:02:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-17 14:25:10 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-17 07:35:03 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-19 00:01:44 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-18 01:10:01 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-18 21:38:02 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-24 21:25:39 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-24 14:34:59 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"SaPeIsMa" <  2008-05-24 16:54:07 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-24 15:30:19 

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