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Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?

by bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 11, 2008 at 09:18 PM

On May 11, 8:36=A0am, Yu <yuga...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 11, 8:51=A0pm, "ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <ltl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 8:44=A0am, Yu <yuga...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On May 11, 3:40=A0pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> > > <webbfam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > <fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
> > >
>news:f8afbbe9-e73b-456b-932b-69ffffcf3b4a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > > > The rallying cry "Free Tibet" can even be observed in the caps
wor=
n by
> > > > > the down-and-outs begging for nickles and dimes in the streets
of
> > > > > Vancouver downtown. =A0I wonder how many of them are able to
show =
where
> > > > > Tibet is on map. =A0But let us see how possible (or probable) it
i=
s for
> > > > > a 'Free Tibet' to materialize.
>
> > > > > There are 58 ethnic groups in China and the Tibetans are not
even =
the
> > > > > largest one. The attempt to restore a 'Free Tibet' in accordance
w=
ith
> > > > > the Dalai Lama's formula, which encompasses about 1/4 of China's
> > > > > current territory, would mean having to walk over the dead
bodies =
of
> > > > > the other 57 ethnic groups.
>
> > > > > "The Dalai Lama's stated aim is for Beijing to grant some kind
of
> > > > > limited autonomy to Tibet......... has been that the new
autonomou=
s
> > > > > region would include so-called "greater" Tibet, that is, all the
> > > > > traditionally ethnic-Tibetan areas now parts of the provinces of
> > > > > Sichuan, Yunnan, Gansu and Qinghai. In total, that would
compromis=
e
> > > > > around a quarter of China's current territory. No government in
> > > > > Beijing could ever contemplate such a giveaway, which would
almost=

> > > > > certainly unleash a nationalist backlash of frightening
pro****tion=
s."
>
> > > > >http://en.chinaelections.org/newsinfo.asp?newsid=3D17363
>
> > > > That is an official Chinese Government website, and it provides no
> > > > substantiation for its claims..
>
> > > Here is a map showing territory claimed by the Dalai Lama, about 30%
> > > of China for 0.3% of China's current population.
>
> > It is like claining New York city to be part of Chin because there is
> > a Chinatown in New York and some Chinese in New York city want to be
> > Chines citizens.
>
> The NED is now sup****ting the Xinjiang separatists and more recently
> sup****ting South Mongolia separatists. South Mongolia is the name for
> Inner Mongolia.
> CIA's dream is take out 70% of China's land.
>
> This is a map that appears in Dalai Lama's book 'Freedom In Exile"
> I can't post the book here but the map looks like
this.http://www.fas.org/=
irp/world/para/uighur-map.gif
>
> This monk can be quite wicked given a chance.

Hey Yu, how is the circle jerk with LT going?

Your perception of reality sucks, as always.
 




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Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 00:28:53 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-11 17:40:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@[EM  2008-05-11 11:33:51 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 05:44:29 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-11 05:51:07 
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"akenn100@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 07:50:38 
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penang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-11 08:18:41 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 08:20:11 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 08:36:55 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-11 15:49:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
aozotorp@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-11 12:04:01 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:44:26 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:45:29 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:52:46 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 11:51:06 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:55 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 13:51:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 20:12:36 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-11 21:18:45 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-11 21:29:47 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:19:30 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:56 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 04:44:15 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 05:27:20 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 05:37:55 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-11 22:46:50 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:58 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:16:51 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:21:35 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:59 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:33:32 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:35:01 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 15:29:19 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:31:29 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:57:51 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:35:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:52:03 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:36 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:22 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:40:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:53:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:44 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 07:50:46 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:54:39 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:40 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 07:55:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:57:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 08:19:42 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 08:22:57 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 02:04:45 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 02:10:17 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:43 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 09:26:24 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 09:29:57 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
aozotorp@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 03:10:15 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Polly the Parrot <flat  2008-05-12 20:17:29 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:45 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:46:20 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:13:47 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:50:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:53:38 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:55:25 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 05:01:08 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 05:36:12 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:17 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 06:00:54 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 06:23:38 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:18 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 06:25:34 
fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 08:17:00 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:29:33 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:34:43 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:34:54 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 08:39:52 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:49 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 08:41:58 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 09:02:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:06:53 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 09:40:45 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 09:04:12 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 16:20:01 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 16:23:10 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 16:34:37 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 09:41:34 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 17:26:43 
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taisun <taisun@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 11:44:54 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 12:45:49 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:23:52 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:04:31 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:25:27 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:50 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:26:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:03:32 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:58 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 16:27:30 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:36:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:02:27 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:52 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 16:59:52 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:53 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 17:21:12 
If CCP censor****p is so good, why not try it yourself.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:55 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:34:50 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:59 
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"J.Venning" <  2008-05-13 09:53:01 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:38:53 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:40:00 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:45:38 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:56 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:51:04 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 19:19:55 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:48 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 17:21:35 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 22:47:46 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:18 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 23:54:07 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:17 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:20:12 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-14 16:17:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:31:53 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 22:24:39 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:34:46 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 17:51:29 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 18:56:17 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:04:24 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:05:55 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:12:38 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:15:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 02:11:21 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 14:21:16 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 18:33:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 18:38:21 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 19:32:13 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 05:18:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 06:45:15 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-15 20:46:56 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 06:49:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 01:34:57 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-15 20:46:57 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-16 00:45:21 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 01:49:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 02:05:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"OD" <Yahoo@  2008-05-15 23:29:30 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-15 07:53:19 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 09:48:40 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 09:50:28 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-16 12:51:00 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-16 22:30:12 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 00:55:17 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-17 01:15:46 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 11:34:20 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 11:50:10 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 14:14:39 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 15:40:13 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 21:10:14 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-19 00:01:43 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 17:27:08 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-17 01:13:23 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-16 21:53:27 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-16 23:27:41 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"OD" <Yahoo@  2008-05-19 21:02:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-17 14:25:10 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-17 07:35:03 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-19 00:01:44 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-18 01:10:01 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-18 21:38:02 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-24 21:25:39 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-24 14:34:59 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"SaPeIsMa" <  2008-05-24 16:54:07 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-24 15:30:19 

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