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Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?

by netvegetable <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 12, 2008 at 08:19 AM

On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:21:35 -0700, Yu wrote:

> On May 12, 1:27 pm, netvegetable <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:52:46 -0700, fyfp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>> >> The "freeTibet" movement is not solely for the purpose of Tibetan
>> >> exiles, Tibetans living inTibetmight like to be free as well.
>>
>> > Free from what?  They used to be slaves in the time of high lamas.
>> > Now they are free not to be owned.  In terms of other kinds of
>> > freedom, they don't suffer any more than any other groups in China.
>> > As a matter of fact, they are exempt from the one-child policy which
>> > applies to other groups.  So what kind of freedom are you referring
>> > to?
>>
>> The freedom of self-determination would be a start. Right now, the PRC
>> is locking up people simply for saying "Free Tibet" in public.
> 
> After all the violence and killings and burning the Gov have a duty to
> maintain peace and public security. Don't be hypocrite just because it
> doesn't happen in your country.

Now hang on! Do you mean the recent spate of violence and killings and 
burnings in Lhasa, that occurred earlier in '08? Because I know at least 
one of the links you snipped out of my reply, depicts how people were 
being arrested long before '08.

http://tinyurl.com/6fycff
is the story of two young Tibetan monks who 
were sentenced to three years in prison simply for unfurling the Tibetan 
flag, circa 1999.

Also,

http://tinyurl.com/5za6lc
is the story of Ronggyal Adrak, a Tibetan nomad 
who was sentenced to 8 years in prison simply for urging religious 
freedom in Tibet. That's dated in November 2007.

http://tinyurl.com/6gtm9e
is a video showing PRC troops shooting Tibetan 
pilgrims like dogs, back in 2006.

So, are you sure you have your causality correct? Are you sure the 
suppression is a response to the violence in Lhasa, and not the other way 
round? 

Or are you saying there's always been violence and killings and burnings 
in Tibet, ever since the PRC took over in the 50s, and the PRC has to 
apply political and religious suppression as a response? 

I just want to know what it is you are arguing.


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Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 00:28:53 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-11 17:40:37 
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PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@[EM  2008-05-11 11:33:51 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 05:44:29 
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"ltlee1@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-11 05:51:07 
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"akenn100@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 07:50:38 
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penang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-11 08:18:41 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 08:20:11 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 08:36:55 
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Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-11 15:49:16 
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aozotorp@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-11 12:04:01 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:44:26 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:45:29 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-11 16:52:46 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 11:51:06 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:55 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 13:51:41 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-15 20:12:36 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-11 21:18:45 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-11 21:29:47 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:19:30 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:56 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 04:44:15 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 05:27:20 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 05:37:55 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-11 22:46:50 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:58 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:16:51 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:21:35 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:34:59 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-11 23:33:32 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 16:35:01 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 15:29:19 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:31:29 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:57:51 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:35:41 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:52:03 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:36 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:22 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:40:37 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-12 17:53:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:44 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 07:50:46 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:54:39 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:40 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 07:55:16 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 00:57:41 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 08:19:42 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 08:22:57 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 02:04:45 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:41 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 02:10:17 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:43 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 09:26:24 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 09:29:57 
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aozotorp@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-12 03:10:15 
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Polly the Parrot <flat  2008-05-12 20:17:29 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:00:45 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:46:20 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 20:13:47 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:50:41 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:53:38 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 04:55:25 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 05:01:08 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 05:36:12 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:17 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 06:00:54 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 06:23:38 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:18 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 06:25:34 
fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:00:16 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 08:17:00 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:29:33 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:34:43 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-12 23:34:54 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 08:39:52 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:49 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 08:41:58 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 09:02:16 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:06:53 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 09:40:45 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 09:04:12 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 16:20:01 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 16:34:37 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 09:41:34 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-12 17:26:43 
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taisun <taisun@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 11:44:54 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 12:45:49 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:23:52 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:04:31 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:25:27 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:50 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:26:19 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:03:32 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:58 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 16:27:30 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 16:36:37 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 11:02:27 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:52 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-12 16:59:52 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:53 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 17:21:12 
If CCP censor****p is so good, why not try it yourself.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 13:39:55 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:34:50 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:38:53 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:45:38 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-12 18:51:04 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-13 17:21:35 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:16 
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"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-12 22:47:46 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:18 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 23:54:07 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-13 16:30:17 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:20:12 
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Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-14 16:17:37 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:31:53 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 22:24:39 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-13 10:34:46 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 17:51:29 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 18:56:17 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:04:24 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:05:55 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:12:38 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 07:15:19 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 02:11:21 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-14 14:21:16 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 18:33:41 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 18:38:21 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-14 19:32:13 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 05:18:37 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 06:45:15 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-15 20:46:56 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-15 06:49:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 01:34:57 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-15 20:46:57 
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"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-16 00:45:21 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 01:49:37 
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Yu <yugaung@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-15 02:05:19 
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"OD" <Yahoo@  2008-05-15 23:29:30 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-15 07:53:19 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 09:48:40 
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bmoore@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-15 09:50:28 
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netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-16 12:51:00 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-16 22:30:12 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 00:55:17 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
mimus <tinmimus99@[EMA  2008-05-17 01:15:46 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 11:34:20 
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Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 11:50:10 
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Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 14:14:39 
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Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-17 15:40:13 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Raymond <niday@[EMAIL   2008-05-17 21:10:14 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-19 00:01:43 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-16 17:27:08 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-17 01:13:23 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Keon <keon14@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-16 21:53:27 
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rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-16 23:27:41 
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"OD" <Yahoo@  2008-05-19 21:02:19 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
netvegetable <none@[EM  2008-05-17 14:25:10 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-17 07:35:03 
Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?
Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSP  2008-05-19 00:01:44 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"fyfpoon@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-18 01:10:01 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"Peter Webb" &l  2008-05-18 21:38:02 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
Duncan Patton <campbel  2008-05-24 21:25:39 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-24 14:34:59 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
"SaPeIsMa" <  2008-05-24 16:54:07 
Re: fyfpoon goes off the deep end.
rst0wxyz <rst0wxyz@[EM  2008-05-24 15:30:19 

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