On May 12, 12:15=A0pm, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> On May 12, 9:06 am, nkdatta8...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > On May 11, 7:27 am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Yes as a free citizen of Pakistn, they have the right to express
their=
> > > views. But in democracies the majority opinion prevails, unlike
India
> > > where Hindi belt dominates
> > > politics of the whole country. We have NOT LAID A SINGLE BRICK OF
THE
> > > KALA BAGH DAM, NOR WILL, UNLIKE INDIA WHICH HAS DEPRIVED EAST BENGAL
> > > AND WEST PAKISTAN BY ILLEGALLY CONSTRUCTING DAMS.
>
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Javed Iqbal Kaleem
>
> > Reclaimed land in the Indus Valley in Sindh goes to military
> > personnel, not because Punjab is a large province, but because the
> > military is Pakistan's largest body of organized crime. It is
> > Pakistan's GHQ that has always determined who get s to steal in
> > Pakistan and how much. The process has absolutely nothing to do with
> > democracy that has remained an alien concept in Pakistan's brief
> > history.
>
> > Separate electorates and the Pakistan Movement were all predicated on
> > the argument that one-man-one-vote democracy is unsuitable for a
> > pluralistic society like pre-partition India.
>
> > Shrill complaints against the "tyranny of the majority" was the
> > foundation of the Pakistan Movement. But it is as ironic as it is apt,
> > that in post-partition era, Jinnah`s Pakistan continued to be plagued
> > by the very same premises that gave it birth, namely, that
one-man-one-
> > vote democracy is unsuitable for a pluralistic society.
>
> > West Pakistan`s ruling elite which had once inveighed against the
> > Hindu majority in pre-partition India, found themselves inveighing
> > against the Hindu-tainted majority of East Pakistan. "Separate
> > Electorates" and "Parity" were the neo-****bboleths to neutralize the
> > majority voters in East Pakistan from having a significant say in
> > Pakistan`s affairs.
>
> > Pakistan's ruling elite could not live under the "tyranny of the
> > majority". So even in independent Pakistan it took to insisting on
> > living under "tyranny of the minority"!!!
>
> > Today, it is Pakistan's military that has emerged as the crown jewel
> > of Pakistan's ruling minority.
> > In today's Pakistan, the native Sindhis, for example, have scant
> > representation in the military. East Pakistan itself had suffered
> > dispro****tionately more than West Pakistan under military dictatr****p
> > for the very same reason. And so does Sindh in today's Pakistan.
>
> > Pakistan's military and the ISI were never representative of the hopes
> > and aspirations of ordinary Pakistanis. It is highly educative to keep
> > in mind the geographical concentration of military personnel
> > - eighty percent of officers, rank and file, come from only five
> > districts: Attock, Rawalpindi, Chakwal, Jhelum and Gujrat in Punjab;
> > and three districts of NWFP: Mardan, Peshawar and Kohat - ill-gotten
> > wealth of the military funnels prosperity to a very narrow segment in
> > the country (professionally & geographically).
>
> > It is this mal-distribution of the military (kept alive artificially
> > by the British propounded "martial races theory") that has made it
> > easier for the military's top brass to manipulate the lower ranking
> > soldiers into upholding the cor****ate interests of Pakistan's
> > military.
>
> > It is not surprising that General Tikka Khan who earned infamy as the
> > Butcher of Bengal in 1971 had gone on to earn further infamy as the
> > Butcher of Balochistan after the 1971 partition of Pakistan.
>
> > Today Pakistan remains firmly under the "tyranny of the minority", an
> > ironic but unsurprising outcome of the Pakistan Movement that owed its
> > birth to the fear of the majority.
>
> > And that is why, come what may, it is the military personnel that get
> > to take possession of reclaimed land in the Indus Valley instead of
> > the sons of the soil. And that is why dams like the Kalabagh dam will
> > get built to further the economic interests of the military personnel
> > who have a free run on the water and electricity.
>
> > > > On May 8, 2:40 am, koolfireii...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 8, 9:58 am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem
<JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=
wrote:
> > > > > There is no provision for that in the Indus river water
treaty,you=
build a dam
> > > > > downstream,or divert,the source will get cut off by India,THE
ORIG=
IN OF ALL
> > > > > RIVERS FLOWING INTO PAKISTAN IS REGULATED IN INDIA,Pakistan is a
> > > > > downstream country,like everything else which has to do with
India=
Pakistan
> > > > > issues,you are always in the down position.Indians are on the
top.=
>
> > > > Three of the four provinces of Pakistan are opposed to the
Kalabagh
> > > > dam. In fact, legislators of these 3 provinces have already passed
> > > > resolutions opposing the dam.
>
> > > > Only Punjab is pu****ng for it, primarily because the project is
for
> > > > the benefit of military officials most of whom hail from a few
> > > > districts in Punjab. The reclaimed land, even in Sindh, go to
milita=
ry
> > > > officials from Punjab.
>
> > > > The concern is that the dam would submerge large swathes of
fertile
> > > > Peshawar valley in Pashtunkhwa and deprive Sindh and Balochistan
> > > > provinces of their due shares of the Indus waters.
>
> > > >
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> > > >http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/23/top9.htm
>
> > > > DAWN, Karachi, Pakistan
> > > > April 23, 2008 =A0Wednesday =A0Rabi-us-Sani 16, 1429
>
> > > > .....Ms Jamani and some of her other colleagues argued the project
> > > > should not be taken up after resolutions passed by the provincial
> > > > assemblies of Sindh, NWFP and Balochistan against it and called
for
> > > > implementing alternative plans......
>
> > > > .....=93We will not let Kalabagh dam be built,=94 PPP=92s Shagufta
J=
amani
> > > > said angrily after PML-N member Chaudhry Ejaz Virk picked up Mr
> > > > Wattoo=92s theme by saying the proposed dam could be called
=93Quaid=
-i-
> > > > Azam Dam=94 as a way of appeasing its it would submerge large
swathe=
s of
> > > > fertile Peshawar valley in the North West Frontier Province and
> > > > deprive Sindh and Balochistan provinces of their due shares of the
> > > > Indus watersopponents, who actually argue against the project over
> > > > fears ......
>
> > > >
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> > > > > > > On May 7, 3:53 pm, Tambi Dude <tambid...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You are traitor of Muslim Ummah and =A0Bangladesh . You
ar=
e licking toes
> > > > > > > > > of Indians who are bent upon killing Banglade****s daily.
B=
y blocking
> > > > > > > > > water of Banglade****
> > > > > > > > > rivers, they want to starve you. But as a shameless
beggar=
you are
> > > > > > > > > licking their toes. =A0I do not care for such
consciencele=
ss persons.
>
> > > > > > > > > Javed Iqbal
>
> > > > > > > Punjab has been depriving Sindh of water for a long time.
Paki=
stan
> > > > > > > wants to make new and large Dams and canals for retired army
o=
fficials
> > > > > > > on Indus river. Kalabagh dam & Greater Thal canal are good
exa=
mples.
> > > > > > > There is a petition on line that can be signed to protest
the
> > > > > > > injustice to Sindh.
>
> > > > > > > Go to:http://www.petitiononline.com/sindhu/petition.html
>
> > > > > > > Here's the petition:
>
> > > > > > > Stop illegal constructions of Kalabagh dam & Greater Thal
cana=
l
>
> > > > > > > To: =A0World Bank, Asian Bank & UNO
>
> > > > > > > Pakistan wants to make new and large Dams and canals for
retir=
ed army
> > > > > > > officials on Indus river. Due to atrocities of province of
Pun=
jab now
> > > > > > > Sindh is facing deadly shortage of water. In fact Punjab
theft=
the
> > > > > > > water of Sindh continously through centuries. In 1945 an
accor=
d was
> > > > > > > made in the period of Birtish rule. Now Punjab doing human
rig=
hts and
> > > > > > > accord violations and making forcibly with the help of army,
m=
ore
> > > > > > > large Dams and Canals on Indus river. "The term 'historic
shar=
e' of
> > > > > > > water has no history. This term has never been used even in
th=
e
> > > > > > > context of the 1991 Water Accord. However, when the
deliberati=
ons on
> > > > > > > the Water Accord were going on in 1991, the ap****tionment of
w=
ater
> > > > > > > between Punjab and Sindh had to be decided. The committee
deci=
ded to
> > > > > > > take the average of water ap****tioned between Punjab and
Sindh=
from
> > > > > > > 1977 to 1982 for the sake of an exercise just to determine
the=
amount
> > > > > > > required to be ap****tioned. But irrigation officials of the
Pu=
njab
> > > > > > > regarded it as their 'historic share' of water. According to
t=
he
> > > > > > > calculation of the so-called 'historic' right on water, the
Pu=
njab was
> > > > > > > awarded 48 MAF while Sindh got 46 MAF. But, when the 1991
Wate=
r Accord
> > > > > > > was finalised, Sindh was awarded 48.76 MAF of water. It is
bes=
ides the
> > > > > > > point that the Punjab got a greater quantity of water in the
a=
ccord,
> > > > > > > 55.94 MAF (almost 56 MAP.) Even then, the Punjab was not
happy=
to see
> > > > > > > that as per the 1991 Water Accord, Sindh was drawing more
wate=
r than
> > > > > > > the Punjab had been consuming during the years 1977 to 1982,
i=
..e., 48
> > > > > > > MAF. Basing the distribution of waters on the 'averages' of
> > > > > > > exaggerated flow of the Sindhu Darya, was bound to lead to a
m=
ajor
> > > > > > > confrontation between the upper and lower riparian. The
waters=
flowing
> > > > > > > down the Sindhu vacillates between 104 MAF and 80 MAF. How
can=
> > > > > > > ap****tionment be based on the average of such a wide
differenc=
e in
> > > > > > > real flows. Surely, water ap****tionment depends on need. As
th=
e Sindhu
> > > > > > > Darya is the only source of water for Sindh, this province
mus=
t be
> > > > > > > given its actual share specially during times of severe
shorta=
ges.
>
> > > > > > > The Punjab, during the downswing of the cycle, has complete
co=
ntrol of
> > > > > > > the waters in the Jhelum and Chenab rivers. In addition, the
u=
pper
> > > > > > > riparian have sweet ground water reserves of 300 MAF which
the=
y can
> > > > > > > draw on in times of shortages. Taking this reality into
accoun=
t, the
> > > > > > > 1945 Sindh-Punjab water agreement gave 75 per cent of the
Dary=
a's
> > > > > > > waters to Sindh. The Punjab, through its infamous link
canals,=
could
> > > > > > > only draw water from the Sindhu during the peak flood
season. =
That is
> > > > > > > all. Last year, during Nawaz Sharif's chauvinist rule, his
pro=
vince
>
> > ...
>
> > read more =BB
>
> MR Datta it appears you have no answer to India's =A0hegemonic
=A0designs
> except to blame Pakistan Army. Did you forget that Indian generals are
> so corrupt that
> they even did not miss to make money from thousands of =A0wooden coffin
> boxes made for fallen Indian soldiers in Kargil. How can you compare
> your army with ours.
> Our soldiers are brave, our junior officers are unparalleled in the
> world , only we have to tame our generals and with the advent of
> democratic setup, we are not
> far from that goal. =A0We sup****t the army because it takes =A0an army 6
> times its size and comes out even, if not =A0a clear victor. But we
> cannot see any material change in Indian arm twisting techniques in
> the foreseeable future. Do you?
>
> Javed Iqbal Kaleem
Maybe,let me fill you in.. Your army and GHQ pindi was way,way
ahead,for its cowardliness,when you refused to accept the dead bodies
of your own soldiers,fighting for a corrupt skirmish of kargil,and we
had to pay for the moulana to do their last ISlamic rights,and bury
them like uneanted scraps of rubbish in the himalyas,how about showing
some respect for the lives of your own soldiers and their bereaved
families,you kali pontificating paki bastard...What a third class
military structure you have,go and read up on the reason of disbanding
of northern light infantry,you will know what a dubious slippery
SAM,paki paindoos are.
"mushko and Dras Batalik sector re****ts".
The officer added that with the morale of the Pakistani soldiers
having hit rock bottom and that the refusal to withdraw was just a
form of stubbornness. Of course, the morale of the Indian soldiers
extremely high, after their string of battle victories and Pakistan's
humiliating capitulation in the face of the Indian onslaught.
"It is not just the defeats that have shattered their morale, which is
understandable," said the officer, "but also the refusal to accept the
bodies of the dead soldiers and carry out the final rites and give
them an honourable military burial."
The officer pointed out that the refusal to accept the dead bodies to
deny culpability in the Kargil conflict has upset the soldiers of the
Northern Light Infantry, who are from Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
"Let us be very honest. If the bodies were of the Pakistan Punjabi
soldiers, there is no way that Islamabad would have even dared to
refuse to bring back the bodies. The only reason it really does not
care is because the soldiers are Pakistani Kashmiris, from Gilgit and
Baltistan, people from which areas are even denied the basic rights in
Pakistan," said the officer.
The officer said it was the Indian media's fault that it did not
highlight how the Punjabis discriminated against the Kashmiris in
Pakistan. He said this would expose the hypocrisy of Pakistan, which
was forever tom-tomming about how Kashmiris were suffering in India.
"This war has clearly indicated how the Pakistani Punjabi just does
not care for the people of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. While the Balti
soldiers were sent into battle, the Punjabi officers stayed back in
the comfort of the base camps. When the tide turned against them, the
soldiers were left to fend for themselves, often without adequate
supplies. And now, the Pakistani government is not even decent enough
to take back the bodies," he said.
While the officer said that such mistreatment would affect the morale
and fighting spirit of the Pakistani soldiers, he added that the
Pakistani government was trying to take corrective measures to placate
the troops of the Northern Light Infantry.
"We'll have to wait and see how the measures work out," he said.
According to re****ts, the soldiers and some of the officers of the NLI
are very upset at being used as cannon fodder, while none of the other
regiments hailing from the plains were used while from India, soldiers
from across the country were used. To pacify them, the officers are
being sent given posting abroad as defence attach=E9s while the soldiers
are being extra salaries.
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