Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?

On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:00:54 -0700, Yu wrote:

>> > Read this declassified CIA do***ent and see how the CIA paid the
>> > Dalai Lama US$180,000 a year for his service to the CIA.
>> >http://www.intellnet.org/do***ents/700/040/744.html
>>
>> Nearly half a century ago I see. Long before Nixon went to visit Mao,
>> back when Taipei was the recognized capital of China, and the PRC was
>> behind what we called the "Iron Curtain".
> 
> It took them that long to partially declassify their files. Today USA is
> even more neurotic about China.

So your reasoning is that if they were active 45 years ago, then they 
must be more active today? Do you have any evidence to back up this 
reasoning? 

> 
> 
>> > Welcome if you have
>> > any more question. Sure every country has problem, yet USA doesn't
>> > try to help the Natives of USA and prefer to spent millions on Radio
>> > FreeASia to incite violence in Tibet.
>>
>> I have a question. Whatever the CIA's alleged involvement, you don't
>> think that shooting Tibetans, and locking them up for speaking their
>> minds might also be contributing factor to the violence there?
> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/6gtm9e
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6zkq2o
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6fycff
> 
> I think these video are fake.
> There have been lots of these fake video around. 

So you're not willing to accept video evidence you don't like? Is there 
any kind of evidence you would be willing to accept?

> When the alleged
> shooting occured you see the man fell to the ground and people around
> him show no response at all they just go on walking. The basic human
> instinct is to duck and cover.

Well, the Chinese government admitted the incident, but claimed the 
soldiers acted in self-defence.

http://tinyurl.com/ypcmqs

Also, there's an interview with the cameraman who took the footage. He 
verifies the information described in the video.

http://tinyurl.com/3rr7gg

Also, an Australian was among the mountaineers in the party that 
witnessed the shootings. In his words, the Tibetans were "shot like rats".

http://tinyurl.com/ep9gv

> 
>> > What is you opinion about CIA's global activities?
>>
>> I think that back in the 60s, they were very active globally. Back then
>> you got CIA activities like Operation Phoenix, where CIA went into
>> foreign countries, and attempted to actively influence the politics
>> there, by bribery, blackmail, and even assassinations.
>>
>> You will find that most of their operations in this period were
>> failures. They're really not very good at getting political outcomes.
>>
>> The reason they were active in the field then, is because this was
>> shortly after America's "Red Scare", during which a lot of skilled
>> diplomats from the US State Department had been marginalized as
>> "communist sympathizers." Into the power vacuum strolled Allan Dulles
>> and CIA, offering to advice Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and
>> Nixon on how best to deal with foreign policy difficulties, mostly
>> involving leaving it to them. So the CIA were free to have boy's own
>> adventures, blunder around the planet killing people, and generally
>> exacerbate the very problems they were being paid to solve.
>>
>> These days, ever since Richard Colby's admissions before Congress in
>> the late 70s, CIA has been reigned in considerably. I suspect that they
>> do still have active agents in the field, but the average CIA agent
>> will be some sort of bespectacled analyst, at home in Wa****ngton. They
>> may or may not come up with reliable intel, but we saw in Iraq how this
>> intelligence is subject to an awful lot of political interference,
>> depending on who it's being ac***ulated for. On that basis, I suspect
>> they're mainly just another useless government department.
> 
> If u think CIA is still active which country is their biggest target in
> the next 10 years?

I'd say Pakistan. A nuclear power in danger of becoming fundamentalist 
Muslim, that'd have to be their prime target. Or Iran. Or Indonesia. 

But I think the Americans know by now that they can't really control the 
situation in these countries by espionage. History shows that when 
they've tried in the past, they've usually either failed, or created a 
problem even worse than the one they set out to solve.
 
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