Re: Is a 'Free Tibet' a possibility?

On May 14, 7:24=A0pm, Raymond <ni...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 10:31:53 -0700 (PDT), bmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >On May 12, 11:54?pm, Yu <yuga...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> On May 12, 5:26?pm, netvegetable <n...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >> > On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:04:45 -0700, Yu wrote:
> >> > >> Now hang on! Do you mean the recent spate of violence and
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 and
> >> > >> burnings in Lhasa, that occurred earlier in '08? Because I know
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> >> > >> least one of the links you snipped out of my reply, depicts how
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ople
> >> > >> were being arrested long before '08.
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> >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/6fycffisthestoryof
two young Tibetan monks who
> >> > >> were sentenced to three years in prison simply for unfurling the
> >> > >> Tibetan flag, circa 1999.
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> >> > >> Also,
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> >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/5za6lcisthestoryof
Ronggyal Adrak, a Tibetan
> >> > >> nomad who was sentenced to 8 years in prison simply for urging
> >> > >> religious freedom in Tibet. That's dated in November 2007.
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> >> > >>http://tinyurl.com/6gtm9eisavideoshowing
PRC troops shooting
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> >> > >> pilgrims like dogs, back in 2006.
>
> >> > >> So, are you sure you have your causality correct? Are you sure
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> >> > >> suppression is a response to the violence in Lhasa, and not the
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her
> >> > >> way round?
>
> >> > >> Or are you saying there's always been violence and killings and
> >> > >> burnings in Tibet, ever since the PRC took over in the 50s, and
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e PRC
> >> > >> has to apply political and religious suppression as a response?
>
> >> > >> I just want to know what it is you are arguing.
>
> >> > > From 1950-1970 CIA sponsored war in Tibet thousands were killed.
> >> > > From1987- 1989 hundreds were killed or wounded and hundreds of
shop=
s,
> >> > > cars and houses were brunt.
> >> > > Now 2008 dozen were killed and many houses, cars and building
were =
burnt
> >> > > to the ground.
> >> > > This is the violent nature of CIA thugs. The did it all the time
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> >> > > over the world.
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> >> > Are you saying that the rioters in Lhasa, the pilgrims being killed
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> >> > Nepal border, and the multiple people being arrested for advocating
> >> > Tibetan autonomy, are all undercover CIA agents?
>
> >> I am pretty sure the rioters are organized by the CIA.
>
> >A few people on this NG are "pretty sure" or even "100% sure" that the
> >CIA is behind every instance of dissension in China. That anything the
> >Chinese government does in terms of censor****p, repression, etc. is OK
> >because they have to, to combat the CIA.
>
> >Now, I know that the CIA has done lots of nasty things and probably
> >continues to do nasty things around the world. But these people on
> >this NG who blame the CIA for everything just because they are "pretty
> >sure", without any evidence, are intellectually dishonest. They can
> >respond to *any* criticism of the Chinese government by playing the
> >CIA card. Their evidence cannot be refuted because they don't have
> >any. That's a childish, dishonest debate tactic and by doing so they
> >are trying to effectively kill real discussion on the topic.
>
> >Mission accomplished, eh boys? You can kill the conversation but you
> >can't change the truth.
>
> The truth is western imperialist threat toward China and the Chinese
> people is both evident and real, and western media bias against China
> and the Chinese people is both evident and real. You have no right to
> ask us lay down our arms when your hostility towards us is obvious for
> all the world to see.

Wow, Ray. It's pretty ironic to hear your talking about obvious
hostility, given your obvious hostility and all.

But Ray, I see from another post that you don't know what "ironic"
means, so maybe you should find out before you respond, presumably
with more obvious hostility.