Re: There are not meaningful free and fair elections in the PRC.

"Jim Walsh" <jimNOwalsSPAMh3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:07:03 +0800, hslaw mij wrote
> (in article <g0goco$mvf$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>
>>
>> "Jim Walsh" <jimNOwalsSPAMh3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C451F9DE003B651AF01846D8@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:46:39 +0800, hslaw mij wrote
>>> (in article <g0gbe8$m9d$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>>
>>>>
>>>> CCP had liberated the people from the control of warlords in China
and
>>>> became
>>>
>>>> their legitimate leaders. CCP are elected as leader and government
under a
>>>> different election system.
>>>
>>> They were not elected. There is no "different election system". Either
there
>>> are multiple candidates, each free to campaign, and secret ballots, or
there
>>> is not an election.
>>>
>>
>> China, Honk Kong and Macau have their own election system.
>
> False. Except for positions like village chief (which unfortunately have
no
> power) there are no elections at all in China.
>
> Hong Kong has a limited system. The "mayor" is appointed by the CCP
(acting
> thru 800 representatives selected by the CCP). About half of the city
> legislature is elected.
>
> I am not familiar with the details of Macau, but considering the fact
that
> Hong Kong's local government is not elected, I would be astonished if
Macau's
> were.
>

Yes, you are not familiar with the whole China system. To you, the people
cannot 
elect their leader but to the people, that is a way for the country to
progress 
! It is more im****tant than your "democratic system". There are no "mayor"
in 
Hong Kong !

>
>> There is no one
>> election system that will be fair or that is suitable to the whole
world !
>
> Yes, and no.
>
> Certain basic features are common to all systems of democratic
elections:
> freedom of speech, several candidates, secret ballot and so on.
>
> The other details vary from place to place.
>

"freedom of speech, several candidates, secret ballot and so on".

What good does it make if such system can be easily abused and worst
abused by 
foreigners !

>> Even the US system is not the best system.
>
> The US system contains the minimum basic features common to all
democratic
> elections.
>
>>Hillary and Obama are equally sup****ted by
>> the Democrats, both should be allowed to stand for election against the
>> Republican old man.
>
> That is your opinion (and a silly one -- no political party would offer
two
> candidates, splitting its vote, letting a weaker but more united win).
>

You see ! You have not change your mindset about democratcy! Is the party
more 
im****tant than the people! If both democrat candiates have almost same
sup****t, 
why shouldn't the people's choice be respected ? You see, if only one
democrat 
candidate can stand for election, it means US election system is not a
good 
system.  Why should there be only two candidates for president?