On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:33:17 +0800, RichAsianKid wrote
(in article
<775d05a9-284a-482d-b9cc-eba88ce2706d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
> On May 28, 9:17 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 06:21:01 +0800,RichAsianKidwrote
>> (in article
>> <a7ae2e33-3c89-4a92-8fd8-32cd9ba8a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 27, 1:51 am, Jim Walsh <jimNOwalsSPA...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>> For example, in Rwanda, the Hutu regarded the Tutsi as the other (and
>>>> vice a
>>>> versa) but RAK would regard both as "black".
>>
>>>> For another example, in Scandinavia, the Swedish people regard
Norwegians
>>>> as
>>>> the other (and vice a versa) and RAK would regard both as white.
>>
>>>> For Nazis the "other" were the Jews, RAK would regard both Germans
and Jew
>>>> to be white.
>>
>>> In general I value Homo Sapiens (including an African) over a gorilla,
>>> but I also value a non-African more than an African (first bifurcation
>>> after Homo Sapiens). Ingroup/Outgroup boundaries are fluid and
>>> mallelable, and principle remains "me against my brother, me and my
>>> brother against my cousin, me and my cousin against the world." BTW
>>> your examples are evidence against the possibility of "utopia" or a
>>> "one-world" given how similar these groups are to an 'outsider'.
>>
>> I refuted your claim. Be an adult. Admit it.
>>
>> You made a specific claim, (neatly snipped) which I now quote: "Perhaps
>> that's why blacks are always seen as the "other" in virtually every
>> society."
>> If you have any integrity, you will not admit that this statement is
false.
>>
>
> What? Hutus regarded Tutsi (black) as "the other" as you said, clearly
> consistent with my statement.
It is funny, really. One group of "blacks" considering another group of
"blacks" as outsiders and you claim it sup****ts your statement. Really
funny,
> And if you had (note tense) no critical
> mass of blacks around (as in Sweden or Norway) in your society you
> really couldn't have had racial conflicts that generate headlines
> (till the recent rape wave...)
Doesn't matter. The "other" is typically found in every society, but it is
not remotely true that "blacks" are the other (as you claimed).
I can make an endless list of societies in which the other are not
"blacks".
Indeed in some of them "Chinese" are the others.
> And like I said, me against my brother, me and my brother against my
> cousin, me and my cousin against the world and thus I do love your
> examples. There are many more....Sunnis and ****ites, Chinese and
> Malays, Sinhalese and Tamils, etc etc. Such exuberant conflict in
> diversity! Utopia is still not achieved!
Pretending that I claim utopia is possible is another one of your
dishonest
debating techniques.
--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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