drydem wrote:
> On Jun 12, 8:32 am, beernuts <beerwithn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 1:33 pm, EMBALMER <Embal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> the thing drydem (Walter) must ask himself is, why must criticism of
>> China, whether over its handling of the Earthquake destruction, or
>> anything else, be juxtaposed and compared with similar bad government
>> choices and decisions in other countries?
>
>
> Beernuts (Chris), analysis of why decision or solutions failed
> not only tell us what not to do be can sometimes lead us to
> solutions or decisions that can succesed. What makes Katrina
> Hurrican and the Sichuan Earthquake similar is the magnitude
> of the disaster. Size matters when it comes to logistics.
> What you need to ask yourself -Beernuts (chris) - is
> whether you have become so-sensitive that you can't step
> back and look at this objectively?
>
>
>
>> Doesn't the Chinese govt deserve to be analyzed and,
>> yes, critiqued, without distorting the story by bringing up
>> Bush, Katrina, or for that matter, any other govt
>> or foreign tragedy? What's the goal?
>
> What distortion? Analysis of large scale disasters
> are not done in a laboratory with control and and experimental
> population. Sometimes when there is a global problem like
> the avian flu - you can compare the effectiveness of
> a goverment respose. However - the Katrina and Sichuan
> Earthquake disaster an objective analysis requires making
> comparisons of solutions to other disasters of similar pro****tions.
> The Katrina Hurricane disaster appears to be of similar scope
> in geographic impact area - albeit less people died from it than
> the chinese Sichuan earthquake disaster. Of particular interest
> to me is the mass evacuation of people and the deployment
> of emergency services.
>
>
>> To excuse bad choices in one place, by one govt, by
>> bad choices in another? That's ridiculous.
>
> It only looks that way to you because you are blinded by your own
> pride.
>
>
>> It might make Walter feel better, but it certainly doesn't make the
>> victims of the CCP's poor response and clumsy handling any better.
>
> No. It's not the CCP poor response - if the CCP had the best
> earthquake forecasting equipment from Japan or Taiwan the
> CCP would still not be able to handle it any better. Today's
> early warning systems for earthquakes is about less than
> a few minutes. From what I've been reading - there's nothing
> inherently poor or clumsy with the Chinese emergency response
> and the major cause of loss of life is not due to their emergency
> response plan or implementation but the failure or lack of
> a strict enforcement of earthquake resistance building codes.
>
>
>> It's a tact common to CCP spokespeople and CCP apologists everywhere -
>> fend of criticism by comparing yourself to [fill in the blank]. The
>> Chinese people deserve better.
>
> I disagree - a CCP spokesperson or CCP apologist don't commonly
> compare themselves to the USA, Bush or FEMA.
They can't. The U.S. is set up to handle disasters at the local level
first, all the way up to the state governors. When that failed in
Lousyana despite years of generous federal funding for their
preparedness system to work, every swinging dick started yelling, on
cue, for the federal government's ass.
> It's not that Chinese people don't deserve better but the CCP mindset
> is really much more focus on China (that is to say the rest of the
> world doesn't matter). IMHO - critical comparisons are more of a
> common tact among westerners - especially in the USA. Some like
> Beernuts(chris) may perceive my critical comparison as a defense - but
> that's because he's taken offensive to it. Which reminds me of that
> old USA football adage - the best defense is an good offense...or as a
> sophist might say.....The best verbal defense is be verbally
> offensive. LOL :-)
So you're saying that you're on the defense. Read what you wrote. As
for your "critical comparison," are you still depending on second and
third hand information? I guess what I'm asking is, are you in a
position--personally and professionally--to make [honest] critical
comparisons? Kindly regale us with your experience and qualifications.
G.O.
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