On Jun 14, 2:16=A0am, George Orwell <nob...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> drydem wrote:
> > On Jun 12, 8:32 am, beernuts <beerwithn...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> On Jun 5, 1:33 pm, EMBALMER <Embal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >> the thing drydem (Walter) must ask himself is, why must criticism of
> >> China, whether over its handling of the Earthquake destruction, or
> >> anything else, be juxtaposed and compared with similar bad government
> >> choices and decisions in other countries? =A0
>
> > Beernuts (Chris), analysis of why decision or solutions failed
> > not only tell us what not =A0to do be can sometimes lead us to
> > solutions or decisions that can succesed. =A0What makesKatrina
> > Hurrican and the Sichuan Earthquake similar is the magnitude
> > of the disaster. Size matters when it comes to logistics.
> > What you need to ask yourself =A0-Beernuts (chris) - is
> > whether you have become so-sensitive that you can't step
> > back and look at this objectively?
>
> >> Doesn't the Chinese govt =A0deserve to be analyzed and,
> >> yes, critiqued, without distorting the story by bringing up
> >> Bush,Katrina, or for that matter, any other govt
> >> or foreign tragedy? =A0 What's the goal? =A0
>
> > What distortion? Analysis of large scale disasters
> > are not done in a laboratory with control and and experimental
> > population. =A0Sometimes when there is a global problem like
> > the avian flu - you can compare the effectiveness of
> > a goverment respose. However - theKatrinaand Sichuan
> > Earthquake disaster an objective analysis requires making
> > comparisons of solutions to other disasters of similar pro****tions.
> > TheKatrinaHurricane disaster appears to be of similar scope
> > in geographic impact area - albeit less people died from it than
> > the chinese Sichuan earthquake disaster. =A0Of particular interest
> > to me is the mass evacuation of people and the deployment
> > of emergency services.
>
> >> To excuse bad choices in one place, by one govt, by
> >> bad choices in another? =A0That's ridiculous.
>
> > It only looks that way to you because you are blinded by your own
> > pride.
>
> >> =A0It might make Walter feel better, but it certainly doesn't make
the
> >> victims of the CCP's poor response and clumsy handling any better.
>
> > No. It's not the CCP poor response - if the CCP had the best
> > earthquake forecasting equipment from Japan or Taiwan the
> > CCP would still not be able to handle it any better. Today's
> > early warning systems for =A0earthquakes is about less than
> > a few minutes. From what I've been reading - there's nothing
> > inherently poor or clumsy with the Chinese emergency response
> > and the major cause of loss of life is not due to their emergency
> > response =A0plan or implementation but the failure or lack of
> > a strict enforcement of earthquake resistance building codes.
>
> >> It's a tact common to CCP spokespeople and CCP apologists everywhere
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> >> fend of criticism by comparing yourself to [fill in the blank]. =A0
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> >> Chinese people deserve better.
>
> > I disagree - a CCP spokesperson or CCP apologist don't commonly
> > compare themselves to the USA, Bush or FEMA.
>
> They can't. =A0The U.S. is set up to handle disasters at the local level
> first, all the way up to the state governors. =A0When that failed in
> Lousyana despite years of generous federal funding for their
> preparedness system to work, every swinging dick started yelling, on
> cue, for the federal government's ass.
>
> > It's not that Chinese people don't deserve better but the CCP mindset
> > is really much more focus on China (that is to say the rest of the
> > world doesn't matter). =A0IMHO - critical comparisons =A0are more of a
> > common tact among =A0westerners - especially in the USA. =A0Some like
> > Beernuts(chris) may perceive my critical comparison as a defense - but
> > that's because he's taken offensive to it. Which reminds me of =A0that
> > old USA football adage - the best defense is an good offense...or as a
> > sophist might say.....The best verbal defense is be verbally
> > offensive. LOL =A0:-)
>
> So you're saying that you're on the defense. =A0Read what you wrote.As
> for your "critical comparison," are you still depending on second and
> third hand information? =A0I guess what I'm asking is, are you in a
> position--personally and professionally--to make [honest] critical
> comparisons? =A0Kindly regale us with your experience and
qualifications.
>
> G.O.
A poster's profession cannot be verified over the usenet
being that such things can easily be forged or faked.
So such a requirement is irrelevant on the usenet.
One ability or position to make a critical comparison
on the usenet is limited to the data that is presented.
Can you verify the data?
As far as being defensive -- If having a healthy dose
of skepticism is being defensive - yes - my education
and my experience on the use net
has taught me to be skeptical.
With regards to CCP spindoctors tactics - my readings
include the Chinese news sources which I use to
validate and provide opposing view points from the
western news source I normally read. For example,
when the US electronic reconaissance plane and
PRC jet fighter collided in midair - I made sure to
read both Chinese and American news sources.
With respect to Western news sources using
critical comparison - I was just reading one that
compared Japan with the USA. The New York Times
story was about the Japanese mandate to win
the battle of the bulge ( getting everyone to slim
down )
Japan, Seeking Trim Waists, Measures Millions
NORIMITSU ONI****, New York Times. June 13, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?no_interstitial
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