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Re: The Antipodes in Welsh - other Celtic languages ? ***bric

by Bob and Doris Jones <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 17, 2005 at 01:36 AM

Bob and Doris Jones wrote:
> Bob and Doris Jones wrote:
> 
>> hawker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>
>>> Y Gwrthtroedfedd
>>>
>>> Deheuol Tir Anadnabyddus - Australis Terra Incognito
>>>
>> Diolch ("thank you" yn Cymraeg).
>>
>> Meur rasta ("thank you" yn Kernewek).
>>
>> Trugarez ("thank you - merci" e Brezhoneg).
>>
>> Tapadh leat ("thank you" ann Gaidhlig).
>>
>> Go raibh maith agat ("thank you" sa Gaeilge).
>>
>> Gura mie ayd ("thank you" ayns yn Ghaelg).
>>
>> Yn ***bric, Hawker ?
>>
>> "***bric was the Brythonic Celtic language centred in ***bria, and 
>> spoken from lowland Scotland south to Derby****re. ***bric was once 
>> referred to as North Welsh and Cornish as South Welsh. ... The old 
>> northern British kingdoms of Rheged and Gododdin spoke Old Welsh, but 
>> given time, many linguists consider that this tongue was 
>> distinguishable from Old Welsh at the time of its demise [as a 
>> community language]. [NOTE: They said this of Kernewek and Gaelg too 
>> but research has shown that the revival of these languages had started 
>> before the last native speakers had died - in ***bric's case ?] "In 
>> the 19th and 20th [and 21st ?] centuries sheep counts and children's 
>> counting rhymes which [are ?] ***bric have been collected throughout 
>> northern England: eg Yan, Tan, Tethera, Methera, Pim compared to Old 
>> Welsh "Un, Dou, Tri, Petwar, Pimp".
>>
>>
> Further on this:
> 
> "Much of the origin and character of the ***bric language remain a 
> mystery. Apart from several insignificant Latin observational texts and 
> place names, the language is today undo***ented [not anymore - Hawker 
> has done it]. What is known is that the language was Brythonic Insular 
> Celtic, most likely descended from Old North Welsh, related to the 
> presumed Brythonic Pictish language, and progressively more distantly, 
> to Cornish. Due to its location, words of Gaelic and Scandinavian origin

> may have enriched the language.
> [edit]
> Reconstructions
> 
> 
> Reconstructed cognates in the language only number around 50, and the 
> Celtic Culture of Northwest England has long since been forgotten [not 
> completely it seems]. Despite this, several forms of "Revived" ***bric 
> are in their infancies. One is noted to be very similar to Old Welsh, 
> while the other re-creates a hypothetical, distinct language 
> representing what the language may have been like today had it never 
> died out. The internet will no doubt provide a valuable resource for the

> "revival" of these languages."
> 
> Source with my modifications as shown [thus]:
> 
> http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/***bric

"..The Brythonic languages are Welsh, Cornish, ***bric and Breton. .."

http://www.mezzofanti.org/welsh.html
 




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The Antipodes in Welsh
"hawker@[EMAIL PROTE  2005-09-16 07:21:23 
Re: The Antipodes in Welsh - other Celtic languages ?
Bob and Doris Jones <b  2005-09-16 23:45:07 
Re: The Antipodes in Welsh - other Celtic languages ? Cumbric
Bob and Doris Jones <b  2005-09-16 23:50:51 
Re: The Antipodes in Welsh - other Celtic languages ? Cumbric
Bob and Doris Jones <b  2005-09-17 01:36:01 
The Antipodes in Welsh - other Celtic languages ?
"hawker@[EMAIL PROTE  2005-09-19 20:30:14 

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