"Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> allan connochie wrote:
>> "Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>
>>>hawker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>... I am publi****ng it as I go along so there will be a need for
>>>>constant updates.
>>
>> IMHO the huge percentage of red-haired people
>>
>>>in Brigantia is a direct genetic legacy of the Picts (the highest
>>>percentage of anywhere in the world).
>>
>>
>> Fairytale stuff.
> Not at all. You have mixed events separated by centuries as if they
> occurred at the same time in your post - that is the stuff of fairy
tales.
>> The various Pictish kingdoms were north of the
>> Forth/Antonine/Clyde line.
> Originally, but according to folk tradition in Galloway the last Pictish
> speaker died in SW Galloway and the distingui****ng Pictish
characteristic
> was a high predominance of red hair. The fairy folk of Gaelic legend and
> folk tales also traditionally have red hair with small stature. It is
> generally agreed that diminuatives are used for the earlier inhabitants
of
> area.
I forget the name of this mad Irishman. The Sidi, Sithe, or Teuli Teg are
dead people, people who have died but still live on earth.
>> The land of the Brigantes was way to the south
>> in northern England.
Complete and utter rubbish.
> They may have straddled what is now the border with Scotland.
Cantimandua
> was after all an ally to the Romans.
>> Seperating them were the Brittonic tribes of the
>> Southern Uplands and central Scotland, some of whom 'may' have been
more
>> closely connected to the Brigantes in pre-Roman tribes.
> The Meaetae of the Scottish lowlands were thought to have been largely
> exterminated by the Roman military. There was a "vacuum" left population
> wise.
>> The later northern British kingdoms, especially in the west, certainly
>> traversed what is now
>> the Scottish/English border, but these kingdoms were Brittonic units
and
>> had
>> nothing to do with any Pictish expansion.
> The Picts were also Brittonic (with Gaelic influence from
intermarriage),
> but a northern expansion of Cymraeg into Southern Scotland also
occurred.
>> No such southerly expansion
>> happened perhaps apart from in the Firth of Forth area.
> Study the progressive building of brochs further and further south from
> northern Scotland (Hebrides,Orkeys and Caithness - Pictich state of Cat)
> until the really big later ones were built as far south as Edinburgh.
They
> were "fronting" the Romans until their chance came as Rome became
> weakened.
>> The attacks during
>> the Barbarian Conspiracy by Scots and Picts in the area in question
were
>> just massive raids and not conquests of territory.
> Vortigern supposedly brought in the first Saxon and Jute mercenary
leaders
> (who at the same time oversaw the forced uprooting of the
Angles-Frisians
Angles-Frisians? Absolute rubbish!
from their homeland to Middle England) to rid the land
> of the Picts who had overrun two-thirds of what is now England. This was
> only successful in Middle England. In the North of England the Angles
only
> came as military overlords. The Picts were a redoubtable people and
would
> have given stiff resistance. They had military discipline, had effective
> battle formations and used SunTzu-like tactics.
>> There was probably
>> little, if any, significant genetic difference between the Brigantes
and
>> Pictish peoples.
> Probably true to a large extent, except the pheomelanin of red-hair (and
> in the skin) is photo-sensitive not photo-protective. Red-heads really
are
> "born out of the northern darkness" to quote Gaelic mythology. Only the
> dark wet cloudiness of the Pictish state of Cat fits the bill for our
> evolution from our mixed Danubian and Basque ancestors (a triple
mutation
> on the MC1R gene is needed for bright red hair). Also, wouldn't you
think
> that the Brigantes as allies of Rome might have met the same fate as the
> Meaetae when the tide had turned the other way ?
>> The Picts only emerged from the northern British tribes
>> who remained outwith the Roman Empire. If however you are right and red
>> haired people in the land of the Brigantes are descended from people
who
>> lived in, what is now parts of Scotland, then it's much more likely
that
>> they are a product of folk movement during the Industrial Revolution
and
>> after.
> It is more likely that most of the red-heads are the result of several
> pulses of migration from such a wet cloudy dark homeland with the older
> pules being the most significant. The first was probably the
> Neolithic-Megalithic Ronaldsay cultural pulse which spread red-heads far
> and wide along the Atlantic fringe, to Scandinavia and even parts of the
> Mediterranean. This was a fair-dinkum ancient civilisation with a
> well-developed religion that spread from such an Atlantic fringe. The
> red-haired component probably originated in Cat as the Ronaldsay phase
of
> this civilisation spread by the sea lanes. If you don't believe me go to
> Carnac museum, the islands of north-west and north Alba and Bru na
Boinne
> for starters - I did and you get a lot of insights when you see it all
in
> one go. Probably the next pulse was the Pictish one - evidence from
> palynology (pollen study) shows that Pictish terraced fields were
climbing
> close to the tarns. Evidence of massive overpopulation. The climate was
> getting colder at the time and they were forced to move south. The
> Industrial Revolution movements you spoke of would hardy have been able
to
> produce such a result - especially as the cities are melting pots of
many
> different peoples. How on earth could such a high percentage of red hair
> have resulted then ?
>>
>>
>> Allan
>>
>>
> Slan leibh.
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