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> "Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>allan connochie wrote:
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>>>"Bob and Doris Jones" <bobianjones@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>hawker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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>>>>>... I am publi****ng it as I go along so there will be a need for
>>>>>constant updates.
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>>> IMHO the huge percentage of red-haired people
>>>
>>>
>>>>in Brigantia is a direct genetic legacy of the Picts (the highest
>>>>percentage of anywhere in the world).
>>>
>>>
>>>Fairytale stuff.
>>
>>Not at all. You have mixed events separated by centuries as if they
>>occurred at the same time in your post - that is the stuff of fairy
tales.
>>
>>>The various Pictish kingdoms were north of the
>>>Forth/Antonine/Clyde line.
>>
>>Originally, but according to folk tradition in Galloway the last Pictish
>>speaker died in SW Galloway and the distingui****ng Pictish
characteristic
>>was a high predominance of red hair. The fairy folk of Gaelic legend and
>>folk tales also traditionally have red hair with small stature. It is
>>generally agreed that diminuatives are used for the earlier inhabitants
of
>>area.
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> I forget the name of this mad Irishman. The Sidi, Sithe, or Teuli Teg
are
> dead people, people who have died but still live on earth.
>
Ahhh, a man of learning on things Celtic !!! You are absolutely right
here. Red is the colour of death in Gaelic mythology and a death is
preceded by an encounter with a small hairy red-headed man or woman in a
red cloak, etc, etc. Have you read "Cailin Rua: the function of the
colour of hair in Irish folklore" by T. Mikhailova (University of Moscow)
?
However, Professor O'Rahilly and others also believe that the use of
diminuatives is used by the current inhabitants to talk about the
earlier inhabitants (not only in Celtic cultures either). The
association with passage graves (banishment of the Tuatha De Danaan or
the Side/Sith to the underground realm) such as Bru Na Boinne
(Newgrange, Dowth and Knowth) may also indicate an actual cultural
identity associated with a population with a high percentage of red
hair. Note also the persistance of the triskele from Newgrange at 6000
BP to Pictish art and the Book of Kells to a potent Celtic symbol today.
Stand back and look at the broader picture and get the insight that I got.
BTW I am an Celtic hybrid Australian having Cymraeg, Gaelic (Alba and
Erin) and Kernewek-Breizhek ancestry.
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>>>The land of the Brigantes was way to the south
>>>in northern England.
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>
> Complete and utter rubbish.
This is Alan's comment , not mine.
>
>
>>They may have straddled what is now the border with Scotland.
Cantimandua
>>was after all an ally to the Romans.
>>
>>>Seperating them were the Brittonic tribes of the
>>>Southern Uplands and central Scotland, some of whom 'may' have been
more
>>>closely connected to the Brigantes in pre-Roman tribes.
>>
>>The Meaetae of the Scottish lowlands were thought to have been largely
>>exterminated by the Roman military. There was a "vacuum" left population
>>wise.
>>
>>>The later northern British kingdoms, especially in the west, certainly
>>>traversed what is now
>>>the Scottish/English border, but these kingdoms were Brittonic units
and
>>>had
>>>nothing to do with any Pictish expansion.
>>
>>The Picts were also Brittonic (with Gaelic influence from
intermarriage),
>>but a northern expansion of Cymraeg into Southern Scotland also
occurred.
>>
>>>No such southerly expansion
>>>happened perhaps apart from in the Firth of Forth area.
>>
>>Study the progressive building of brochs further and further south from
>>northern Scotland (Hebrides,Orkeys and Caithness - Pictich state of Cat)
>>until the really big later ones were built as far south as Edinburgh.
They
>>were "fronting" the Romans until their chance came as Rome became
>>weakened.
>>
>>>The attacks during
>>>the Barbarian Conspiracy by Scots and Picts in the area in question
were
>>>just massive raids and not conquests of territory.
>>
>>Vortigern supposedly brought in the first Saxon and Jute mercenary
leaders
>>(who at the same time oversaw the forced uprooting of the
Angles-Frisians
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>
> Angles-Frisians? Absolute rubbish!
DNA evidence sup****ts an ethnic cleansing event in Middle England but
this may indeed be the Belgae Celts as well as the Angles (Frisians).
Other DNA studies have shown survival of indigenous peoples in the
North, South and West.
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> from their homeland to Middle England) to rid the land
>
>>of the Picts who had overrun two-thirds of what is now England. This was
>>only successful in Middle England. In the North of England the Angles
only
>>came as military overlords. The Picts were a redoubtable people and
would
>>have given stiff resistance. They had military discipline, had effective
>>battle formations and used SunTzu-like tactics.
>>
>>>There was probably
>>>little, if any, significant genetic difference between the Brigantes
and
>>>Pictish peoples.
>>
>>Probably true to a large extent, except the pheomelanin of red-hair (and
>>in the skin) is photo-sensitive not photo-protective. Red-heads really
are
>>"born out of the northern darkness" to quote Gaelic mythology. Only the
>>dark wet cloudiness of the Pictish state of Cat fits the bill for our
>>evolution from our mixed Danubian and Basque ancestors (a triple
mutation
>>on the MC1R gene is needed for bright red hair). Also, wouldn't you
think
>>that the Brigantes as allies of Rome might have met the same fate as the
>>Meaetae when the tide had turned the other way ?
>>
>>>The Picts only emerged from the northern British tribes
>>>who remained outwith the Roman Empire. If however you are right and red
>>>haired people in the land of the Brigantes are descended from people
who
>>>lived in, what is now parts of Scotland, then it's much more likely
that
>>>they are a product of folk movement during the Industrial Revolution
and
>>>after.
>>
>>It is more likely that most of the red-heads are the result of several
>>pulses of migration from such a wet cloudy dark homeland with the older
>>pules being the most significant. The first was probably the
>>Neolithic-Megalithic Ronaldsay cultural pulse which spread red-heads far
>>and wide along the Atlantic fringe, to Scandinavia and even parts of the
>>Mediterranean. This was a fair-dinkum ancient civilisation with a
>>well-developed religion that spread from such an Atlantic fringe. The
>>red-haired component probably originated in Cat as the Ronaldsay phase
of
>>this civilisation spread by the sea lanes. If you don't believe me go to
>>Carnac museum, the islands of north-west and north Alba and Bru na
Boinne
>>for starters - I did and you get a lot of insights when you see it all
in
>>one go. Probably the next pulse was the Pictish one - evidence from
>>palynology (pollen study) shows that Pictish terraced fields were
climbing
>>close to the tarns. Evidence of massive overpopulation. The climate was
>>getting colder at the time and they were forced to move south. The
>>Industrial Revolution movements you spoke of would hardy have been able
to
>>produce such a result - especially as the cities are melting pots of
many
>>different peoples. How on earth could such a high percentage of red hair
>>have resulted then ?
>>
>>>
>>>Allan
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Slan leibh.
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